On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Horst H. von Brand <vonbrand@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Thomas Bendler <ml@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> [Wants a vote here, as otherwise it is "designing without >> numbers". Claims Google shows majority don't like spatial] > > A vote here (where just the ones who feel strongly about the matter) is not > a way to find out what "the users" want/like. > > And you surely realize that what Google finds is just the complaints of > those who _don't_ like it, those who like it won't go around commenting on > the feature. Besides, if Google shows a few hundred complaints, that is > still a tiny minority of Gnome users. What kind of crap is this reasoning? According to you and various others there is no way to determine is a feature is good or bad because only the ones that dislike it will post messages (like me with this thread) and that minority is always just a tiny fraction of the entire gnome community. That's what you said and a few others only in my words. So then how can you find out that a feature is bad? I would say you can by looking at the number of criticism on a certain feature. If you can find a lot of it it must be something that is carried by the majority of the gnome community. Bug if you for example just find a handful of criticism, for example look at the thumbnail size and how many people you find for that begging to change it, then there is a valid point in saying that there is just no majority to be found for it. In this case (spatial mode) you can find so much criticism on the subject and so many people that don't want that as the default that you can fairly easy say that the majority of the gnome users doesn't like it and prefers the browser mode. Just a few numbers as an example (all made up but to give the idea) Imagine there are 20 million people worldwide using gnome (this is a reasonable guess! both ubuntu and fedora have around 9 million users all using gnome by default) of those 20 million there is probably just between 1 and 0.1 percent that is reading mailing lists and actively asking for support or asking for a change. And to write those numbers out. 1% = 200.000 ppl, 0.1% = 20.000 ppl So. the maximum feedback that you can expect that would represent the entire gnome community is between 20k ppl and 200k ppl. divide that by 2 to get the average nr of ppl that could post here if they read it then you get a number of: 100.000 ppl. And those are divided over: ubuntu, fedora, bla bla and bla.. to much distros to name. but lets just take the biggest 2 and expect that the gnome community is only in fedora and ubuntu. then you have a max number of ppl that could vote and represent the gnome community of just 50.000 ppl. So fedora had a theoretical chance (in this scenario) of getting 50.000 votes for anything gnome related. and there will never be 50.000 ppl here on this list. more like 1000. And that is getting close to the reality. Then we have a 1/10 vote already (way more then 100 posts om this subject but that with multiple posts included) And i frankly don't think it's gonna get higher then 1/10. and i tent to believe that 1/10 in this case is indeed representing the majority of gnome in which case this default setting has to change to browser mode. Oke. i nearly lost myself in those numbers ^_^ This will also clear up that there is simply no way to see is there is a majority for this or not. simply because the exact numbers of linux users is not clear let alone the number of gnome users. To me the best way to see if there is a mojority to change this feature into the browser mode remains just by googling and see how easy you can find discussion f it. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
