On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Jerry Amundson wrote:
On Wed December 17 2008 13:59:14 Jeff Spaleta wrote:
2008/12/17 Till Maas <opensource@xxxxxxxxx>:
They may also require /usr/bin/sendmail, e.g.:
I think for the purposes of the discussion... anything which provides
that file is something Behdad is going to rage madly against "needing"
in modern personal desktop experience default install target.
Rightly so, I think. For the 'modern personal desktop' (hope I used
the correct quotes there :-), the critical system messages deserve to
be delivered to the active (or soon to be) desktop, rather than a
passive log file.
What does that mean? Has Linux stopped being a multiuser system?
You're sounding like a troll now. The phrase "modern personal desktop" was
quite twice in the two-paragraph you replied to.
Just install the server spin and be happy. What's wrong with that?
the problem is that a lot of the notification utilities/tools seem to be
developed exclusively with a desktop/laptop in mind. Not with a server
infrastructure and a sysadmin-controlled-environment in mind.
In short, stop talking about desktop/laptop-centric notifications.
If you want to get rid of sendmail-style notifications then using the same
notification infrastructure make sure that at introduction there are
tools to notify a user on the desktop AND to get a message out in one of
the older styles, like sending an email.
And I don't mean a tool like 'oh just run oddjob' I mean something
tailored to do that. It's not an unreasonable request and since fedora
(and rhel which derives from fedora) are not desktop-only distros it is a
perfectly sensible thing to do.
The most obvious thing I've not seen, yet, is a notification->email dbus
listener. That would allow interaction to the mail notifications that Les
(and A LOT of sysadmins) want and it would also allow someone to learn how
to do that better. Dbus-notifications to nagios or zabbix, for example.
Does that make sense?
-sv
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