Nicolas Mailhot pisze: > > Le Mer 10 décembre 2008 01:54, Kevin Kofler a écrit : > >> Please do not ignore real-world usability in your quest for >> perfection. > > This is not a quest of perfection this is getting font and text bugs > fixed. > > The freetype autohinter has progressed because we've enabled it in > Fedora despite its problems and told people to report bugs upstream > instead of helping them enable the bytecode interpreter and ignore the > problem. > > OO.o has started working on OpenType CFF support because we told them > plainly we would not stop merging fonts in this format or prioritize > OpenType TTF just so people didn't notice that unlike other apps, OO.o > didn't work. > > Ligature support was fixed in Firefox because we didn't try to hide > them and so people complained upstream of upstream bugs. > > Likewise ligature support was lately fixed in freetype, again because > we didn't hide the problem and people complained in the right place > (upstream issue trackers, not general-purpose downstream lists). > > When we tried to hide a problem by removing triggering glyphs > font-side there was 0% progress on fixing application-side and some > upstreams still argue we should restore the hiding so they don't have > to bother. > > Red Hat tried to avoid font problems by not merging anything that > looked like it would trigger application bugs, and had to shell some > millions later for Liberation; complaining at the same time the FLOSS > font scene really was not active enough for them to rely on it. Well, > if you want activity you have to support this activity not ignore it > and hope things will magically perfect themselves without distro-side > exposition. > > Your proposition is made of 100% pure un-adultered FAIL. And facts > back me up on this. > > You'll find scores of people to rewrite spontaneously media players, > MUAs, or the distro boot chrome, but people won't work on font > problems unless users complain to them, and users won't complain if > you hide or diffuse the problems. They'll just note Fedora font > support is crap, without pointing to any specific fact. > > Just Google for 'linux fonts', and you'll find many such reports, > culminating around 2006, which incidently is when Fedora decided to > get its feet wet, and released Fedora 6 with DejaVu LGC as default, > breaking the status quo and starting the virtuous circle of upstream > fixes. > > True, even with users complaining, some bugs take ages to get fixed, > but the way to accelerate this is to get more users to complain, not > remove the complains. If some of your favorite DEs or apps are not > fixed yet organise fellow users and put some pression upstream (or, > better, find someone to submit upstream a patch). > > I personally think our current course is the best to « [lead] the > advancement of free, open software and content. » > > Anyway, I'm sick of repeating the same arguments in different forums. > Here's the deal: you disagree with our current font strategy, so go > convince FESCO. If FESCO agrees with you, I'll happily give you the > Fonts SIG keys, and let you manage as you wish from now on. I > personnaly do not intend to waste my personal time trying to improve > the Fedora font situation if one of the precious few levers I have at > my disposition, users complaining upstream of problems, is removed. > > And that's the last thing I'll write on the subject. > Looks like the current strategy works then, but quite slowly in some cases. The main issue I see here is that freedesktop bugzilla seems to be a black hole - I added a comment to bug #13416 half a year ago and got zero response from upstream developers, so please forgive me my slight frustration at this point - it's not that I didn't try, but if no one upstream gives a damn about the problem, I tried to find allies here, who could possibly have more convincing power. Attracting attention - that was the purpose of my post. Julian -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
