On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 10:02:54PM -0400, Peter Arremann wrote: > We've had the same issue with a couple of via-rhine and realtec 8139 > cards... The problem seems to be that the driver does not allow you to > read certain things like mac address unless the interface is actually up. We've been kicking around the idea that this should in fact become mandatory. > know if that fixes your issue. Last time I brought this up on this list, I was > told that it wasn't a kudzu issue but that the driver needs fixing. The problem with that view (which indeed was certainly my view and I fixed some drivers) is that from "up" it can take 60 seconds to get gigabit negotiation completed. In addition it really mucks up power management code in all the drivers. Everything else has "open it, do stuff, close it". Making kudzu do this would fix a lot of bugs, and indeed SuSE seem to follow that rule in yast
