Hi, Another more political issue in Fedora Core and Extras interaction that probably needs to be addressed/discussed, probably closely related to Michael Tiemanns "drafts": Sometimes, RH developers close PRs as "CLOSED RAWHIDE" instead of releasing a bug-fix update, i.e. they postpone bugs to FC-upstream and leave them as "known bugs" for the current FC-release. In the end, this results into bugs remaining unaddressed in older releases (e.g. FC1), while they are fixed in upstream releases (e.g. FC2). In some cases such "known bugs" have an impact on Fedora Extras (Bug fixed in FC2, present in FC1). Some examples: * In some cases such "known bugs" prevent Fedora Extras to supply packages for downstream releases, because the officially released packages the Fedora Extras packages are based on are broken. E.g. "missing shared libs in ghostview" http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88175 break gsview for FC1 https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1940 and "nonfunctional freeglut stub" in FC1 http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107228 renders it almost impossible to ship any glut based package for FC1 in general. * Sometimes such "known bugs" require Fedora Extras packagers to apply work-arounds to be able to support downstream distributions. E.g. the bison.rpm from FC1 lacks a dependency on m4: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108655 which causes packagers to resort to either resort to build-require "bison m4" or "byacc" instead of "bison". Question: How shall this kind of problems be dealt with? IMO, it would be best if RH/FC would prefer not to close bugs as "CLOSED RAWHIDE" when ever reasonable/applicable and to officially upgrade the package instead. Alternatively, it could also be worth to consider handing over such a package to "Fedora Extra" for "interim band-aid packages". Note: I am not talking about RH to provide general "upstream" updates, nor I am talking about "Fedora Legacy" or "Fedora Alternaives". I am only referring to cases where RH's current update policy blocks/handicaps/limits usability of a release, because someone had decided a bug fix would not be relevant for public release. Ralf
