============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-12-05) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 03:42:07 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-12-06/workstation.2023-12-06-03.42.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Michael, Owen, Kalev, Allan, Chris (brainycmurf, 03:42:07) * Guests: (brainycmurf, 03:42:07) * Regrets: Tomas, Matthias, Jens (brainycmurf, 03:42:07) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 03:42:09) * Secretary:Owen (brainycmurf, 03:42:11) * Switch from meet.opensuse.org to a different conferencing platform (brainycmurf, 03:42:13) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/403 (brainycmurf, 03:42:15) * new setup (meet-test.opensuse.org) working well for some people, some people seeing video bugs; extensive discussion of alternatives. Will keep meet-test.opensuse.org for now. (brainycmurf, 03:42:17) * Enable full preemption (brainycmurf, 03:42:20) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 (brainycmurf, 03:42:22) * Owen with general agreement suggested that doing this by kernel command line is not great - very hard to upgrades, hard to do just for some variants. Chris sent a mail to llkml some time ago about moving switch from debugfs to sysfs, but didn't get a response. (brainycmurf, 03:42:24) * Neal would like to see characterization of this on server workloads so that we could enable across variants (brainycmurf, 03:42:28) * Discussion of whether we *know* this is desktop only, or might make sense for server workloads as well - especially now that serv7ers are often running more complex workloads with cgroups, etc. (brainycmurf, 03:42:31) * Discussion of how to test - what are the (desktop) workloads that we expect this to make a difference - OBS streaming? Audio? (Fedora Jam apparently sets up preempt=full). Is sysprof useful for testing whether preempt=full improves responsiveness/smoothess of GNOME shell under high load (brainycmurf, 03:42:36) * ACTION: Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team to see if they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs - or how to move forward for there. (brainycmurf, 03:42:40) * Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 03:42:43) * LINK: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/learning-from-the-f40-tuned-replaces-ppd-change-proposal/97786 (brainycmurf, 03:42:45) * discussion of role of working group vs. fesco in change proposal process (brainycmurf, 03:42:48) * Allan change proposals were conceived as "notification" of things coming from upstream (brainycmurf, 03:42:50) * Neal - there's a split between notications of upcoming upstream changes, and change proposals for work that is being done downstream - specific to fedora, and the second set of things is getting larger; policy documents lag behind. (brainycmurf, 03:42:52) * Nobody wanted to copy the releng part where there has to be a ticket filed (brainycmurf, 03:42:56) * Allan felt there isn't enough time between posting and voting - that voting can get in the way of the discussion. (brainycmurf, 03:42:58) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-11-30/workstation.2023-11-30-01.07.log.html (brainycmurf, 03:43:03) Meeting ended at 03:43:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team to see if they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs - or how to move forward for there. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team to see if they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs - or how to move forward for there. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (28) * zodbot (7) * Michael (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions -- _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
