Given how long the Fedora 26 schedule slipped/ran over, we had a *much* shorter F27 schedule than expected. That's had a number of ill effects, not the least of which is extra impact on the Fedora Engineering team. I'd like to avoid that in F28. This isn't a discussion about general Fedora schedule strategy. F28 schedule will likely not shift based on F27 slip, as has been the case for some years now. This discussion *is*, however, about how we can do our best to minimize slips to F27 Beta and GA based on Workstation related issues. I talked to Kamil Paral in #fedora-qa today to see how people involved in Workstation related development can best help. As you know, there are release criteria for each release -- previously Alpha/Beta/GA, now just Beta and GA. (The Alpha criteria still count, because Beta has to meet them, i.e. Alpha + Beta.) Some of these target specific activities, like login or the environment starting, and some target classes of components, like .desktop files. A couple things Kamil mentioned that I agree would help: 1. Regular testing of images *now*, before Beta freeze 2017-Sep-05. Fedora QA regularly announces (on the test-announce@ list) composes that are ready for testing. Here's the latest such announcement: <https://tinyurl.com/y8c7zvor> If each developer checked their particular area for release blocking bugs early, it's more likely we can avoid late surprises about something not working. (We have a limited number of folks dedicated to QA, after all.) 2. Assist in creating automated tests for Workstation composes/apps. The OpenQA system <https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/> allows graphical testing of the desktop. Even just a few extra tests could be useful based on what can save time in QA'ing releases. You can scroll down to the Workstation entries here and click through to some of the tests currently provided: <http://tinyurl.com/y9csgmmz> Kamil also mentioned having Workstation folks available when blocker meetings are going on, to allow for better decisions about truly blocking bugs. While it may not be a good use of time for a lot of people to attend the entirety of a blocker bug meeting, it *would* be a good idea for us to be aware of the blocker meeting schedule, and to stay tuned in #fedora-workstation and/or the meeting channel in case of summoning. Open to other ideas here as well. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx