Hi Kendell, well you might be lucky enough not to need proprietary drivers and this add a lot of benefits both in practical terms and also in ethics if you believe in free software. That said if you don't support proprietary driver you basically cut out people from using Fedora. The only and main reason I don't suggest Fedora to my friends starting with Linux is it misses NVIDIA proprietary drivers support and bumblebee packages [1]. Granted there is rpmfusion for the drivers.... but bumblebee is another story. The repo mentioned in the fedora wiki is not really up to quality standard, at all. But I digress. People do want their hardware to work well, if they bought Nvidia they want to use it and nouveau doesn't quite cut it (no offence meant here, but the overall experience is not up to expectation for the average user). Speaking for myself now: I just got a Dell Alienware 15. It has an nvidia optimus system. The reason why I choose this system is because I want to play steam games on it and I want to play on Linux. Intel is great, I love it and I usually play with Intel when it works (the driver is improving dramatically and a lot of stuff just works nowadays), but for some game you need some extra push. So I got the nvidia driver from rpmfusion applied a very minor adjustment to make it play nice with bumblebee, got bumblebee and bbswitch SRPMs from ELrepo (yes that's right) and recompiled for Fedora. This is easy for me, for the average user is impossible. If you are a free software purist I can understand this is disturbing, I'm the first one being so happy when I can just use the Intel open source driver. But the average computer user is not a free software purist. Giving the user the option to use proprietary drivers, but sticking to open one by default, doesn't mean the distro is not supporting free software. It means you are also supporting non free software and you give you users the choice. That said I do agree proprietary stuff can stay in rpmfusion. It doesn't have to be in the official repo at all to be easy and available. A good start would be to include rpmfusion-*-release RPMs in fedora official repo and possibly doing something along the lines of the Ubuntu additional driver tool to switch between available drivers. Best regards Enrico [1] Unless I'm 100% sure they are not going to use nvidia ever and if it is a system I know it works well out of the box. Also note I'm not talking about fglrx here. I've been the maintainer of fglrx gentoo package for a couple of years and I know very well how painful it is. It would simply harm the Fedora graphic stack given how slow AMD is adding support to new Xorg and kernel release. So I'm not in favour of providing all proprietary drivers. If open source packages have to fulfil quality standards, that should be true for proprietary drivers as well. On 4 June 2015 at 22:53, kendell clark <coffeekingms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > hi > I've watched both, and the jist seems to be something on the order of > "well, fedora is nice, but it needs to make proprietary bits easier > because people need them." I don't think I quite agree with that, for > all sorts of reasons. It's why I switched to fedora, because it sticks > to it's open source principals. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> They have a follow-up review here: >> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/8 >> 3062/disjunctive-normal-fedora-lup-95/ >> >> I haven't watched it yet. >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVcLqzAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdPdwQAJg7JcAbJ0B7NTQ7a5A3jTRw > +/BhwXvl6k8y68ogc+zzRupj5QC8stASVeLF7v+N7ZeghkJr37eR5K5bK1UiteYQ > g8v+QGIxBi55dT8OoDPb4rurnuvJmEx+gZvYndyeOPyAliBZb+s9AzIFK6gQ1rQJ > qBCjWUFz003X4Zc2W2jTqMMUQh7+3J7lfAqX4BzYp89rB4sQdAs65acaUp8A+LDb > Pq6Hj+M3g6OWyD5/qpK3fHbWiK0JYm+0keh9VQbr3CekuAW0C8YqqaO+kHPI67xh > jn7PlOBgdURXbEghlmcsT/NRv2EPOljsmCf97gxzz0tIAt7gjWVB2N8szzX2XNDF > quMCONYu5dpmdfl9S1qOg2D8ZQrQVQDPEo4LBz3619LV16K3iR164EJGLJgYLVOj > HFZn4a1PG8IParEpUKXYR4OL9mYnLs14KSoTtg5pRlrnzzIK+iOF9r0jlax8/dPX > zK1wivwFYo4e7G/kdze7rmF07uzgwnFCTjzGDkR9wK/FHoNw0anCWmXdInsLTraD > CoD3EGNifKoVFuArqVCb8dkb+K3EDCnDN77rhxgi8g60265UUubwHJqB1up3N37Y > 5XdXybSpA/XDA3My/rHPCIqT039IYfJoMQAJ9iuEwVlcFokCAkI7gdEvuFV6hclY > ShRvqjK15pyenuQKmBSO > =aG6n > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > desktop mailing list > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
