Hi there, I've just done a fresh install of Fedora 22 KDE spin on a Dell Alienware 15 and stumbled upon a very weird issue: audio works, but volume control is broken. This is due to alsa-firmware being missing from the default installation group. Had a quick chat with Rex Dieter (rdieter) in #fedora-kde and he told me: <rdieter_work> commit 320e6ccc3b524a5146daafe7717cdc18598d97e6 Author: Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Sat May 31 21:02:43 2014 +0100 <rdieter_work> make alsa-firmware optional. It supports a tiny collection of specialist devices and adds reasonable size to minimal images but I wonder if this is still the case. Currently it seems there are root@alientux ~ # rpm -ql alsa-firmware | grep '^/lib/firmware' | awk -F / '{print $4}' | uniq | wc -l 19 drivers and about root@alientux ~ # rpm -ql alsa-firmware | grep '^/lib/firmware' | grep '\..\+$' | wc -l 100 firmware files. I can agree that most of them might not be very common, but it doesn't sound very good not to give people with such hardware a sub-optimal out of the box experience. My specific case: root@alientux ~ # lspci | grep Audio 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) which means snd_hda_intel with creative chip. The driver requires firmware file ctefx.bin to work correctly. The minimal image size argument is still very valid in my opinion. People using this kind of minimal images are unlikely to have this hardware. However people installing Workstation or KDE spins are 1. interested in having a good out of the box hardware support 2. possibly are not expert enough to know about dmesg or firmware packages (not I'm a professional SysAdmin, and still this turned out not to be trivial mostly due to cluttered dmesg because of the wireless driver ath10k having massive problems with firmware) 3. size matter less for these images. They are over 1 GB already and the entire alsa-firmware package is 11 MB on disk. I would like to ask for your opinion and possibly bring alsa-firmware back by default for the proper use cases (mainly desktop spins). Best regards. Enrico Tagliavini -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop