> On the other hand, why else would you reboot a > system, these days? Uhhhhhh..... The days where desktop Linux never needs rebooted never really existed (its not been getting worse or better really... it's been holding steady at 'better than windows, but still at least weekly' I reboot as little as possible, but it's still randomly necessary to get Wifi back, get the GPU back, get the backlight back, get eSATA back, get the keyboard back, get Pulse/ALSA to start working again, etc.... That and I'm often rebooting at a point of trying desperately to get something to work under a deadline. Like standing in front of an audience wondering why I have mouse but no keyboard input after opening the laptop lid, etc. The first time I saw 'reboot and install updates' pop up my heart dropped (as I did not even realize I could reboot without installing updates). It's the number one reason I wiped Windows 7 after trying it for a few weeks. It insists on taking an hour to install updates at the worst possible times. Monty -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop