Josh Boyer píše v Po 11. 05. 2015 v 09:32 -0400: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@xxxxxxxxxx > > wrote: > > Christian Schaller píše v Čt 07. 05. 2015 v 14:34 -0400: > > Optimus support > > > Quite a few people did bring up that our Optimus support wasn't > > > great. Luckily I know Bastien Nocera is working on > > > something there based on work by Dave Arlie, so hopefully this is > > > one we can check off soon. > > > > I had a talk on Fedora Workstation in front of 100 people who were > > mostly our target audience (developers, students,...) and I also > > asked > > them what annoys them on Linux desktop the most. Support for > > multiple > > graphics cards was the most frequent answer. No distribution has > > really solved this problem. > > > > And for Fedora I would also add nVidia drivers. Not having > > multimedia > > support by default is a disadvantage, but it's really a matter of > > running one command and installing a couple of packages. But if you > > don't have good graphics card drivers or they break with every new > > release of kernel it's a dealbreaker because it can't be reliably > > solved by a couple of commands. > > > > So instead of complaining about issues that can't be solved because > > they are not technical issues (patent-protected codecs), let's > > focus > > on problems that are technical because there is still a lot of room > > for improvement. > > I'm not sure if you meant to include the nVidia driver as one of the > "technical issues", but it seems to be implied. While that might be > the greatest driver in the world, there really isn't much we can do > about it breaking from a technical perspective. It's proprietary, so > we can't fix it to build against the latest kernel we're going to > ship > and we rely on nVidia to play catch up. Well, unlike free implementations of popular codecs, free implementation of nVidia drivers can be and is legally re -distributable by us, so although it's hard to make it happen with our limited resources and nVidia doesn't cooperate at all, it has a solution legally, so it still IMHO falls under technical issues. But to the point: I know the reasons why Fedora doesn't work with nVidia drivers. I was just stating the biggest issue I hear from users they have with Fedora. By far more crucial than missing multimedia support. Not only because multimedia codecs are solvable by a few commands once for all, but also because Windows users who are still the biggest group out there don't really expect an OS with a complete multimedia support, they're used to going out and getting VLC or some magic-multimedia-codecs-pack.exe. I introduced Fedora to 600 IT students (mostly Windows users) last year from whom a larger number installed it. I don't remember having a single complain about missing codecs, but we spent a lot of time with dozens of them because of problems with graphics drivers (mostly nVidia, some AMD, no problems with Intel) and in some cases with all our experience we just had to give up and tell them to install Fedora in a virtual machine in Windows to work on their school projects. Jiri -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
