Another challenge, tangential from upgrades: hybrid graphics. Apple's been doing this for 5+ years, with completely seamless switching between integrated and discrete graphics. More recently it's increasing in popularity among even mid-range non-Apple hardware. And the kernel honestly doesn't do well here, it often gets the switching confused, and as far as I know there's no on-the-fly switching based on usage. The plus for the user is integrated graphics for better battery life, and discrete graphics for heavy lifting software and when running on a power adapter - best of both. Maybe the seamless switching becomes possible with Wayland? But the intermittent confusion before x even starts is presumably kernel confusion (and regressions). I'm not sure what the solution is, but it's understandable users will pick the path of least resistance. That doesn't mean Fedora itself is doing something wrong that it can obviously correct. -- Chris Murphy -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop