On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 09:52 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Is this really a good use of development resources? I mean, > really—if > developers are the primary user group, is it unreasonable to expect > that they will use a shell once or twice per year to perform the > upgrades? Even if we only cared about developers, I would say that I do not expect developers to use the terminal or to know that fedup exists. But this is the beginning of the PRD we agreed on: "We want to create a stable, integrated, polished and user friendly system that can appeal to a wide general audience. The Fedora Workstation working group will have a special focus on providing a platform for development of various types of applications." Developers are a "special focus" and that warrants making some decisions that we wouldn't otherwise, e.g. I'm interested in installing more command-line development tools like gcc by default. But it would be a mistake to take this so far that we compromise user- friendliness or our appeal to a "wide, general audience." That's one of the reasons that developers are using Macs instead of Fedora, after all. Michael -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop