On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> A topic I would like to start discussing is Workstation vs Atomic. It >> may be too early to put on the agenda yet. I haven't talked to Colin >> about it and don't have a very concrete proposal, but I think we >> should have it on our long-term roadmap that we'll end up with a 3 >> layer architecture of host (ideally an atomically updated image), >> runtime and applications (see alex' work on concrete thoughts about >> the runtime+app layers). > > (I think you meant Workstation + Atomic, not vs. ;) ) > > I can see that being an option as well, but we really need to figure > out the "user wants to locally modify the image" problem. Having to > rebuild an entire new Atomic image for Workstation just to install > e.g. vim-enhanced system-wide seems excessive. It would also then > deviate from the official Workstation Atomic image. > > People are used to yum/dnf install working. I think it needs to > continue to work in some fashion before we can really look at adopting > Atomic. It is an intriguing idea though, and I can see how it would > help both QA and the "too many updates" problem. > > josh > -- > desktop mailing list > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop As a Workstation remixer who is building on Docker and testing Atomic I welcome this discussion. ;-) But a huge part of my targeted user base is on Windows and without a solid partnership for Atomic with Microsoft and Hyper-V, they're going to use Boot2Docker / VirtualBox. My next release on Fedora 22 may not even be a remix. I'm leaning towards "install Fedora Workstation and run these scripts" rather than creating an ISO and an OVA. It's not Fedora that's the problem - it's the upstream components that aren't packaged for Fedora / supported on Fedora by the upstream. I may just push that stuff off into Docker images which most likely won't be built on Fedora's Docker image base. -- OSJourno: Robust Power Tools for Digital Journalists http://www.znmeb.mobi/stories/osjourno-robust-power-tools-for-digital-journalists Remember, if you're traveling to Bactria, Hump Day is Tuesday and Thursday. -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
