-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2014 02:22 PM, Pete Travis wrote: > > On 09/01/2014 07:19 AM, Elad Alfassa wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Bastien Nocera >> <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > >> Hey Pete, > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I'm working on the release notes here - should there be any >>> special hardware recommendations for Workstation? The >>> 'requirements[1]' > drafted >>> are deliberately open-ended, because Fedora can be stripped >>> down or built up to run *something* on most any modern >>> machine. > Workstation is >>> a specific thing though, and while LLVMpipe can [often?] get > gnome-shell >>> running, it isn't a great experience. Maybe not the UX context > you want >>> Workstation to be used in. >>> >>> Thoughts? > >> Can we split that into a "minimum" and "recommended" variants? > >> The minimum would be what's mentioned in "minimum system > configuration" plus the >> mention of "CPU accelerated graphics" and minimum resolution. > >> The recommended would be what's currently in "Minimum Hardware >> for > Accelerated Desktops". >> Possibly with 2GB of RAM (so that integrated graphics don't >> impact > us quite as much). > >> Does that make sense? > >> Cheers -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop > > >> Hey I think 2GB is a good "recommended" value, and that 1GB >> should be the > "minimal". From my tests in VMs, 1GB is barely usable (I assume > that 1GB on actual hardware with non-integrated graphics would be a > bit faster, but still). >> However, "hardware accelerated graphics" shouldn't be in the >> minimal - > people will still run Workstation on VM platforms where it's > unavailable, eg. KVM/spice, we don't want them to think it's > impossible to run our own OS on our own virtualization platform. >> I think it would make more sense for "Hardware accelerated >> graphics" > to be in the recommended section. > >> -- -Elad Alfassa. > > > > When I was originally drafting the Hardware Requirements copy, I > tried to stay away from the minimum/recommended distinction. It > isn't easy to draw a line and say "on this side you will have a > great experience, and on this side you will have a merely > functional experience, and across this other line it probably won't > run at all." I think users can generally understand "more is > better", and make an appropriate judgment based on explanation of > the factors involved and available options. Following that line of > thinking, we could say *suggest* at least 2GB of RAM, with a caveat > that less RAM might be a compromise some could find acceptable, and > more RAM would be better. > > WRT the actual figure, systems that are preconfigured with 2GB of > RAM are probably going to be mid/high Pentium 4 era systems, or > low/mid range Core2Dou era systems with i915 -ie 4 years or more > out of production. A suggest/recommend of 4GB RAM would put you in > the area of modern low-end systems and older mid/high end systems. > Looking at RAM in isolation, 4GB is probably excessive, but the > class of system that comes with <4GB OOTB may generally not be able > to deliver an "acceptable" experience. > > Just food for thought - the stated hardware recommendations for > Workstation can of course be whatever the Workstation group deems > appropriate. > > KVM/QXL/Spice is effectively hardware acceleration; I'll elaborate > on that further in the thread. > > The other thing to take into consideration is for both the live media and netinstalls, a lot of the actual installation process is going to take place inside a ramdisk. I know someone testing Alpha TC4 failed to install Workstation on a 1GB VM[1]. So that tells me that 1GB is probably NOT the minimal requirement. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1134524#c5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQFtoAACgkQeiVVYja6o6OsuACgjGZajl9n/lrjOgprRLggw20n 7JUAnRfQW+Y1py1K3p10C/R4ht3mX1is =Puv/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
