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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2014 09:30 AM, Elad Alfassa wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno@xxxxxxxx <mailto:bruno@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 16:19:22 +0300, > Elad Alfassa <elad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:elad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > However, "hardware accelerated graphics" shouldn't be in the minimal - > people will still run Workstation on VM platforms where it's unavailable, > eg. KVM/spice, we don't want them to think it's impossible to run our own > OS on our own virtualization platform. > I think it would make more sense for "Hardware accelerated graphics" to be > in the recommended section. > > > If you are using software for graphics you need a powerful CPU to make the system usable. That is an odd combination on real hardware. So I think for a recommendation it makes sense to suggest hardware graphic acceleration for workstation. I think the running it as a VM on one's desktop is an outlier case. > > > Running in a VM on a desktop is actually a very important usecase. We're targeting developers after all, developers might develop to our platform and test in a vm when running our platform or when running another platform. > > -- > -Elad Alfassa. > > Virtualization opens an entirely different context for hardware requirements. QXL for guests hosted on my low power i3 utility server run gnome-shell quite acceptably; my i7 workstation brings that up to near-native for modern integrated graphics. Traditional cirrus type graphics deliver a wholly unusable experience on the same hardware. QXL isn't a magic bullet, though; on hosts with older hardware, performance definitely degrades. I don't have a lot of experience with VMWare or vbox stacks, but I assume there is a spectrum of unacceptable to adequate to excellent there as well. Maybe some guidelines specifically for virtualized instances of Workstation would be a good idea. Recommend SPICE/QXL, with general guidelines for other solutions, ie "For best results using Fedora Workstation as a virtual machine, SPICE graphics with the QXL virtual graphics adapter are recommended [link to explanation]. Other virtualization solutions should provide adequate virtualized graphics hardware to ensure the best possible experience." ....and maybe something brief about how testing/development in a VM doesn't actually require a responsive desktop environment? - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUBL5DAAoJEL1wZM0+jj2ZkfQH/j8k4Kuc5qlRuATIRD0OmGzo vIQ15pKF1CjwYFEG8bY1rtWnX+zPtHtej9nnaX13dXqiwsf08yKqWoAbu8g7L9dh q9QiUZHq/MHFYm4R/NuqEGTpoMWW88HHEz/vDN98zeW7EROML2tu8ZT+43CYiJJG lBn7kZ11PmsJo7zV6BQkISdDE9xFaR/weSpK+ea1yeromIRBexQzjmkicy5UR22y AYLvKtpwkVsu8PycWLKSCPJhvpsQCjnO5Z7CIg+mguprfonUsUVgvjstsxGSl76M 8E1Wp+8VX3TUCiEmf2k/AXD88UiVjRxjD1rTH1glo/U+AZM1ZWjXq5X/q+sRs50= =8Acm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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