On 11 March 2013 17:16, Elad Alfassa <elad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you >> see something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub >> screen, followed by the filling-in-Fedora of Plymouth, followed by the gdm >> login screen. Grub in particular is problematic, with a starfield background >> that looks like a Fedora background from a few releases ago and a progress >> bar that indicates the progress in 'booting the bootloader'. >> >> There are also some issues on the login screen, with Fedora logo being at >> small-print size right now. >> >> I think a few simple changes we can make a big improvement to the visual >> experience for F19: >> >> - Turn off the graphical grub screen >> >> Even if we are not able to suppress the boot menu entirely, or having a >> clean boot menu like this: >> https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-lock-login-boot/bootmenu.png, >> avoiding the graphical screen will be a win in terms of reduced visual >> noise. >> >> - Switch to a simple spinner for the plymouth theme >> >> This theme is available in plymouth today: >> https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-lock-login-boot/boot.png >> I know when we've proposed this in the past, there was concern about >> loosing the one place where the Fedora logo is visible in the boot. I'd like >> to propose a compromise that will keep the Fedora logo _and_ improve the >> transition to the login screen: How about we use the spinner as in that >> mockup, but add a reasonably-sized Fedora logo in the top left corner. >> >> - Replace the small print logo on the login screen with a bigger one >> >> The idea here is to replace the small-print Fedora text logo that we >> currently have in that corner by the same Fedora logo thats used in >> plymouth, so that it remains unchanged as we transition from plymouth to >> gdm. >> >> What do you think ? >> >> >> Matthias >> >> -- >> desktop mailing list >> desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop > > > This pretty much sums up all reasonable suggestions from the last cycle (and > adds few great ones), and I completely agree with all of them. > > so ffiw, I'm completely in favour of this change. > > Unfortunately, the clean bootloader mockup will be impossible to achieve > without convincing the Fedora kernel folks it's a good idea. > > When Mo reworked the boot menu she wanted to have "Fedora" and "Advanced > options for Fedora" listing all the older kernels. It worked, but the kernel > package didn't use grub2-config and used grubby instead so newly installed > kernels are still added to the main menu. After a discussion in -devel, the > kernel folks listed many technical problems with using grub2-config (in > short: it sucks), and one other argument (that I strictly disagree with) was > that the Fedora userbase is made of users who want to easily switch kernels > for debugging needs and the submenu makes it harder on them. > Although the latter argument is a complete pile of nonsense, the technical > problems with grub2-config still stand, and your mockup doesn't include the > ability to boot older kernels (this is unfortunately needed because, well, > we suck. Sometimes kernel updates screws things up and we don't want to > leave the user with a non-booting machine. If any of you can think of a more > elegant solution for this problem, I'd be curious to hear it). > > I'm not sure if we can fix the grub2-config problems... it is flawed by > design. But perhaps this type of menu will be possible once we drop grub and > start using another bootloader, ie. Gummiboot. > > -- > -Elad Alfassa. > I'd also like to see the brltty daemon started too. Debian have been doing this for ages, so if you are using a Braille display, you can install your own machine without help. This is not the case with Fedora. Z. -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
