On 03/04/2011 09:46 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 02:57 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: >> Am Freitag, den 04.03.2011, 18:25 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen: >>> There are some changes in GDM and GNOME3 that affect our live cd setup, >>> and will require some changes: >>> >>> GDM no longer has a keyboard or language chooser. They were mainly added >>> to cater to livecd must-choose-before login scenarios, but they proved >>> to be really problematic ever since we added them, since they cause a >>> conflict between multiple configuration sources (system keyboard layout >>> vs stored user configuration vs login screen choice, etc). >> >> What exactly were the problems here? User configuration overwrites >> system configuration and the choice from the login overwrites the user's >> setting since it is more recent. There may have been technical problems >> under the hood, but I think GDM solved them very well and the users were >> happy. They will be way unhappier with what you are proposing. > > There's really quite a few problems. > > gdm offered only a limited choice of a single layout with no variants, > which was sufficient for entering your password, but then some people > were upset that they had to select their keyboard layout again in the > session, so we made the gdm choice transfer in the session. That in turn > made people upset who have a complicated, multi-layout or variant-using > setup in the session and did not want that overwritten. Then we made it > so that the gdm layout is only added to the existing session > configuration, then we made further tweaks ... and still, it was never > right. > > Ultimatively, 99% of all passwords out there consist of ascii only, so > why not keep it simple and forego all this crazyness ? > >>> Without these >>> choosers, it doesn't really make sense anymore to stop at the login >>> screen with a time login, and we should consider to just autologin >>> directly to the user session. The session will start in English, and >>> users who need a different language will have to select the language in >>> System Settings > Region and re-login. Keyboard configuration is less >>> problematic, since it can be changed without requiring a re-login. >> >> Only ~ 40% of our users are using en_US. Forcing the majority to log in >> to a language they don't use and perhaps not even understand seems very >> drastic to me. > > This is really only an issue for the live cd, though. In a regular > installation, it is just a one-time annoyance. You log in once, select > your language, and you are all set. Next time you log in, you get your > language right away. > which get's you back to what's the purpose of the LiveCD. Isn't the primary use case to give users an impression of what they would get with an install - without taking risk and time to actually install ? I wonder what kind of impression you provide by completely ignoring the fact that they might not use en_US or understand English well enough to *find* and *use* the language settings. Not to mention the relogin - this is juts so 1995 If you want to ignore a minority of users requirements, then do exactly this and don't change anything. I didn't consider the outlined use cases overly relevant for the LiveCD, but I might be missing something. Just my 5 cents Lars -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
