On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 22:32, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I saw the flurry of frantic IRC conversations among your coworkers scrambling to figure out which one of them was going to set you straight. That's the only reason I was made aware of the thread.
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What I hope you would take away from my admonishment and suggestion is only the suggestion component: lurk on the IRC channel so you can pop over and ask *before* you respond. Often times, the discussion to come up with the right response is itself informative.
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Sure. And I understand that. But I think you might feel differently if you had a chance to get a more nuanced answer from the decision makers involved in an interactive forum like IRC and then you could, perhaps, pass along that nuanced position more effectively.
You *are* doing a good job as evidenced by the vast majority of the messages that you send to test@ but I hope that you see that I'm suggesting a subtle change in your work flow that might, at least, make the F15 release go slightly better.
> We're trying really hard to stay on message and keep people in the
> wider community informed and then I see threads like this
> <http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/097081.html> where a Red Hat employee *paid* to work on the desktop somehow manages to throw factually inaccurate gasoline on an already burning fire. It's really disheartening.
> I actually banged my head on my desk when you did that.
I did ask you to correct me if I was wrong...but I'm not sure I was.
That's the way I remember it being presented during the Test Day...and
there's still no reboot option in GNOME 3 as of right now.
You may have banged your head on the desk, but you don't appear to have
actually replied and provided correct information, whatever that may be;
I don't see a single post from you in that thread. I don't actually see
a post from anyone on the desktop or GNOME teams.
I saw the flurry of frantic IRC conversations among your coworkers scrambling to figure out which one of them was going to set you straight. That's the only reason I was made aware of the thread.
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It's also not easy to find the correct information. People who have
issues with GNOME 3 design are generally referred to gnome3.org, or the
FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ , or the design
whiteboards at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards ;
I've been looking through all this stuff for ten minutes and I can't
find anything that accurately reflects the current actual status of the
shutdown/restart/suspend design. The document on this -
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SystemStopRestart -
refers explicitly to a 'Restart' option which does not exist in my
up-to-date F15 system. So what *is* the party line here, anyway?
What I hope you would take away from my admonishment and suggestion is only the suggestion component: lurk on the IRC channel so you can pop over and ask *before* you respond. Often times, the discussion to come up with the right response is itself informative.
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I'm not paid to work on the desktop, by the way. I'm paid to test stuff,
or rather, to facilitate community testing of stuff. As far as that
goes, I will work professionally to ensure that we do as much as we can
to test that GNOME 3 does what it's designed to do. But *personally*,
I'm just a GNOME user - a longstanding GNOME user - who is, like many
other GNOME users, rather frustrated by a lot of the design choices made
in GNOME 3, which seem to target a potential audience whose chances of
materializing are at best dubious, in preference to the audience of
real, existing GNOME users. I perfectly understand the different
possible positions on this, but I assert my right to represent mine. I'm
raising my personal issues here, I'm not representing Red Hat or Fedora
QA.
Sure. And I understand that. But I think you might feel differently if you had a chance to get a more nuanced answer from the decision makers involved in an interactive forum like IRC and then you could, perhaps, pass along that nuanced position more effectively.
You *are* doing a good job as evidenced by the vast majority of the messages that you send to test@ but I hope that you see that I'm suggesting a subtle change in your work flow that might, at least, make the F15 release go slightly better.
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