On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 21:00 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > So, when told of the best, quickest, most efficient way to get your > problem solved, you'd rather write condescending bullshit that > justifies > *not* getting involved, rather than work to solve your issues? > Seriously? Interesting to see that you categories working through our bugzilla instance as not being involved but working through upstream bugzilla is. It's also interesting to see that you seem to be categorizing bugs as individuals "issues" and that "issue" only affects one person.. I guess me been spending now 2 hours trying to recreate one of those tough to catch bugs ( 678448 ) hard to duplicate, it does not always crash bug in evolution at 03:00 in the morning trying to catch that sucker to give the maintainer actually something to work with is not considered contribution in your books or being involved... Owen has made it perfectly clear to me that they wont be fixing any UI Design ( bugs ) before GNOME 3.0 So excuse me that I dont jump on a horse ride to Gnome land file a UI design ( bug ) that wont get fixed anyway before we release F15.... Regarding the whole file upstream mantra that just takes the load of the maintainer in question and puts it on the reporters. Today we are focusing on X that would require us to have an upstream X account tomorrow we are testing KDE that would require us to have on upstream KDE account on sunday it x on monday it's y. etc etc I'm pretty sure you can do the math here.. Now let's say I was new I had interest to join the reporters group of QA and I have barely gone through our documentation and learned our bugzilla behavior when it's demanded of me that I create account and go through upstream documentation to learn their bugzilla behavior to file bug there ahh.. but it gets more complicated not all upstream is using bugzilla let's all increase the learning curve for the new guy just so we can save the maintainer some time... So if you feel what I wrote was some condescending bullshit then by all mean feel that way everybody has a right of their own opinion. >From my perspective it seriously feels like I need to draw a picture for people to understand what I'm getting at when maintainers scream upstream because those maintainers usually look at us reporters as a nuance and have a hard time looking at things from our side... JBG -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
