Hello list, I just tried out f14 and orca really doesn't work. When you first start orca it does not go through the set up like it normally does. Instead it starts right away like it has already been set up and doesn't let you go through the orca configuration. Orca does start to talk but you can't move around on the desktop or anywhere like the gnome menu or any of the panels. When you press a button on the keyboard orca just says the key you are pressing. It's as if orca doesn't have focus of the desktop and can't move anywhere. I figured I would try to erase the config folder in the home folder by going to the home folder and pressing control h to show the hidden folders and there was no .orca folder to erase I'm not sure what this means but this is what I have found. Thanks for your time and help --Jonathan Nadeau -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop