Hey, Despite our efforts, I still see a lot (or at least, more than I want) of bugs where users log into GNOME as root - typically through stuff like x11vnc or other sysadmin tools that bypasses gdm. Logging into GNOME as root is not really the best of ideas - I won't go into details here - I will just take it as a given that everyone agrees about about this. Anyway, one interesting side-effect is that polkit (now) says root is authorized for anything - so we get interesting bugs like all user-visible filesystems being automounted - normally this wouldn't happen because of our current policy is to only allow automounting of non-system-internal (which currently means only usb, firewire- and sdio-connected devices + optical discs) without interrupting the user to ask for his root password. For example, a typical case is that some person installs Fedora on a machine connected to a SAN and logs into GNOME as root. Now all the, say, 5,000 partitions visible from the SAN is automounted. This is typically not what the person logging in expected - in fact, such behavior may easily cause data-loss as another initiator on the SAN may have mounted one or more devices already. Actually, of course, the real bug GVfs fix is to be less cavalier about automounting - and that fix is already committed to GVfs and submitted as an GVfs update for F-12 (only ever automount usb, firewire, sdio, optical discs). Actually, the astute reader may note that this bugfix will become important for F-13 as we want users created in the default desktop OS to have more privileges cf. the "Roles and Policy" mail that I sent to this list in August 2009. So there's a couple of things here 1. Users will still log into GNOME as root no matter how loudly or how many times they are told not to do that. 2. I'm pretty sure the GVfs automounting bug is not unique here - there may be other things not working as expected. We should probably think about auditing the distro - e.g. we don't want to cause data loss even if people do things the OS is not designed for. 3. We probably need to do an even better job of discouraging people logging in as root - I'm thinking we should show a dialog explaining why this is bad and also show a red background or something. Or maybe refuse to start gnome-session altogether. Currently (rawhide) I don't get any warnings whatsoever if I log into VT1 as root on a machine in run level 3 and type 'startx'. I just get a stock GNOME desktop. Of course we could just say "don't use startx" but that's not how things work (since we still ship startx) and I don't see that changing. I don't regard "remove / neuter startx" as a fight worth fighting either. Thanks, David -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list