On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 11:58 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > On 11/23/2009 11:53 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM, John Poelstra<poelstra@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Does this mean that there will no longer be a bootable Live CD? Assuming > >> this is the case, wow will this affect the media we give away at shows? > > > > Is show media typically CD or is it DVD? Can it be DVD for most > > cases, or would that be problematic? > > Show media has been both LiveCD and DVD. > > The LiveCD has always been a nice thing to encourage people to try > because it can be tried without installing or overwriting their existing > system. So to me this is a loss because I doubt we'll be giving out USB > keys from a cost perspective. There's no intrinsic reason to break writing the live image to a DVD. You can already write the "live CD" image to a DVD. (And in fact this is typically a better user experience; DVD drives typically have far better seek times and read speed since the media is denser.) A single-layer MiniDVD is about 1.4G, which will hold the 1G live image target easily. The first google hit I found for Mini-DVD replication has it at about $2.25/each at a quantity of 300, where they do 700M CDs for $1.17/each at that quantity. Amusingly they'll do 4.7G DVDs for $1.75/each at that quantity, so it's clearly nothing to do with material cost. For the burn-your-own crowd, CDW sells 100-packs of blank 4.7G DVDs for about $40, and 100-packs of blank CDs for about $30. It's certainly more expensive, but I'm skeptical that it's prohibitively expensive. There _is_ a set of users we're excluding here, which is the set of users that can only boot from CD and not DVD or USB. I think, at this point in time, anyone with a machine in that sad category is already poorly served by the Live CD, for seek time reasons if nothing else. Besides, that's what the netinst ISO is for. - ajax
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