On 10/21/2009 12:43 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Take for example the XFCE or LXDE sig. From a quick look over the wiki, > they have no separate mailing lists, no meetings, and I cannot find their > design discussions or announcements. Nor the kernel team; they do not have > long public meetings discussing kernel config options, or which kernel > versions are going where. Like I already indicated Xfce or LXDE is just one or two people. The kernel team could be doing things better. If you want a good comparison on how to do it, how about looking at a SIG with similar number of people and a similar focus: Fedora KDE SIG. * A very active mailing list * Regular IRC meetings with agendas announced ahead of time * Full meeting logs and a clear decision making process * Summaries send to fedora-devel list They have been doing this for *years*. The KDE SIG has steadily grown over time while Desktop SIG has zero community members involved outside of the Red Hat desktop team and the meetings are internal ones. Do you believe that is a coincidence? I don't. > Could this have come earlier, and been communicated better? Yeah, I > think so. > > But I'm really struggling to see why the change from: > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/74/Tours_Fedora11_010.png > to > http://notting.fedorapeople.org/Screenshot.png > > is really worth *this* much sturm und drang. It is more to do with the long history of similar actions. The end result might not be that obvious this time but the process is clearly flawed and desperately in need of change. Now, I do believe that desktop team members are very skilled developers with a brilliant vision on moving things forward but doesn't change the flaws. Rahul -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
