On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 02:08:06PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 13:10 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > > I'm also concerned about the timing of this... I take it this wasn't > > ready at feature freeze? > > Not to throw stones, but I'll point out that we had the notification > theme in before the F12 backgrounds... If you don't want to throw stones, the answer is simple: Don't. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/?package=constantine-backgrounds#package_maintenance/tools/changelog https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/?package=notification-daemon-engine-slider#package_maintenance/tools/changelog The changes in the background over the course of the F12 cycle were discussed on the design-team list repeatedly as they were made, and comments invited via blogs and the list. The latest iteration was *packaged* after freeze, but that was through an exception the Design team requested specifically from Rel-Eng. We could have a more rational discussion if someone could simply point to some reference or data and say, "We changed the theme for the default desktop away from what was already being produced because this data tells us that our design is more effective at notifying people." Similarly, we could have more *courteous* discussions in future situations like this if someone was to present that information in advance and say, "We understand you are working on something that doesn't seem to fit the data and ideas we have. Here's why we think that's the wrong way to go for the Desktop spin. Do you have information we don't have that says otherwise?" -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list