On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 15:06 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 19:01 +0000, Martin Sourada wrote: > > Well, gnome and kde already look different on that level. Does that > > confuse greater community? > > Not when (default) Gnome icons on Fedora look like (default) Gnome icons > on Debian and on SuSE. Same with (default) KDE icons on Fedora and > such. > Well, try running some KDE applications on Gnome or the other way round. It will never be perfect, but we can at least have one icons set for both (I am not implying it must be Echo). > > Echo is *just another* icon set that is > > coincidentally developed by some members of the Art Team who'd like to > > see it as a default icon theme Fedora wide (as opposed to gnome wide or > > kde wide) when ready for that. > > But what problem does it solve? What doesn't the upstream provide in > this case, that we are spending effort to "invent here" rather than > contribute upstream? > Well, practically we aren't inventing anything. Just creating an icon theme set that uses different design from the upstream defaults. The problem we are trying to address in echo specifically (i.e. it has nothing to do with other icon sets) is coverage of both gnome and kde. > Wasn't that already tried with bluecurve (and failed)? > Technically speaking Echo is modern-looking bluecurve successor. I think bluecurve failed because it was outdated and failed to "keep up with the era". > I'm just trying to get a handle on what the problem is that echo is > trying to solve. > I don't think that's the right question in case of art. Art is basically about doing something new, or improving something old, simply said. With Echo we are doing both - posing ourselves as bluecurve successor, using same metaphors as gnome or oxygen as much as possible (to not confuse user), but developing our own style. We are trying to make it default in Fedora, for one because we think it would improve Fedora looks, second we think users might profit from consistent icon set throughout whole distro (not in Fedora 10 yet, since KDE isn't covered enough), third it is developed by people in Fedora Art Team and fourth, with every new release of Fedora there are questions why Echo is still not default, usually accompanied by "prediction" that it will always stay in the "next time" state ;-) Martin
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