Hello Valent, On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 16:14 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I install a fresh Fedora7 (test 3) then run web browser and go to > fedora magazine page - from there I download some video ogg files from > it. > > Why is it that when I click on the file I can't view the video? Player > just crashes! And the default player is kamboodle! Why is that?!? That > is the worst video player I have seen ever! On any platform! > Opensource or not there is no excuse to put that player as the default > one! I believe you mean Kaboodle: http://www.hakubi.us/kaboodle/ > Fedora 7 experience was a bit better than FC6 one - because in FC6 > when I tried the same experiment I got an error message that ogg is a > unknown format and system doesn't know how to open it! And that was with Kaboodle again? > Great! And that was an OGG file with 0% proprietary fibers in it :) > How do you expect to get people to use linux as a destop when the MOST > simple multimedia desktop scenario doesn't work!?! Did you have a really bad day when you wrote that? :) > If you can't play "official" video form redhat pages then this is a > serious case of TERRIBLE multimedia desktop usability! Again, that's not very constructive. > I know about all the great effort that has gone into fedora releases, > and I love it. It is the best linux distro for me, but I know how to > set it up, iron out the quirks that mess up the destop experience and > configure it for optimal work/play flow. > > But please, please make it a lot easier on non-geek people so that > they can also use this great stuff called fedora. And belive me there > are people wanting to do so, but they can't because we don't let them. > They need some features to be enabled by default or else they won't > know how that they even exist. > > So please change the default video player to totem or something else, > just NOT kamboodle because it just doesn't work and it sucks GUI vise. You wouldn't have happened to do a KDE installation? Totem and Rhythmbox are, respectively, the default movie and music players in the GNOME installation. > Regarding proprietary video codecs RedHad developers just say > something like this: "We talked with out lawyers and they said no." > Ok? And? Where can we see this discussion? I know that you can't put > MP3 support in fedora, but that you can't even put an link for some > European server that has all the codecs? Lawyers say that RedHat can > be sued even for puting links that enable multimedia. Ok, maybe I > believe it but it is maybe possible that some one would sue, but > hardly win that case. > > But there are legal ways around that, you can put a text saying that > it is legal to enable multimedia codecs only if you live in a country > that doesn't have software patents - like I do. Canonical is a company registered on the Isle of Man, not a US company. > It is possible if you want it - Ubuntu has shown that because they > will be doing just that, and even a step beyond that. Ubuntu will have > a Ubuntu for European market and other countries that don't have > software patents (my country doesn't!) with all multimedia codecs > embedded within the distro! They don't have multiple versions, as far as I know, and they would have problems regarding the legality of shipping some of those patented codecs in the US. > So please let's start the discussion because believe me there is a > great need for this because there are lot's media files that are > every where (internet, youtube, divx rips of dvds, etc...) that people > have a need to watch and listen. What's the discussion about? Having a discussion won't change the legal stance of Fedora. > Hope to hear from Fedora/RedHat developers and Desktop usability > experts what are their opinions. Read the Fedora FAQ for some third-party ways of getting codecs: http://www.fedorafaq.org/ Cheers > I will make this email available also on my blog: > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > so you can leave/read comments there also. PS: You should use more exclamation marks. -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
