Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
I believe this, and many other issues might be minimized by a more inovative installer. I have never used or seen a Mac, farless to have installed one. And I have not used all the distros out there, so forgive me if this has been implemented somewhere else.On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Mike Hearn wrote:
Of course, starting services I don't need/want like cups doesn't help
either ...
Now that somebody brought up the issue, this is one of the most unattentioned parts of FC IMO. Fedora Core is easy enough to install that anybody with a small knowledge of Linux can simply handle it well, but something nobody thinks about after installation is to check the running services, mostly because many people assume that the right set of services are running. But after installing, I've got to go uncheck more than half of default services. For example the Japanese stuff (don't know about FC3, but were in older versions), portmap stuff, humm, can't remember right now, but there are lot's of services that I've never chosen at install time and are just there to slow down the boot process, while chances are I never use them at all.
I agree that if one selects PostgreSQL to be installed, bringing it up by default is the better choice, but not many other services. Guess all I'm asking for is some kind of WinXP-like "start here" or tips like "configure services you need by running system-config-services"... after installation. No, I'm almost sure I'm not asking for more steps in firstboot :-).
It turned out like too much random thoughts, Sorry, --behdad
If think setting up the installer, Anaconda if I'm not mistaken, as follows might help alot,
Selection of user level (computer skills)
- Expert Fedora User
- Full customization (pc setup type, partion setup, hardware, packages, etc)
- Power User
- Educated guesses to be made by Anaconda of setup, with ability to customize generated setup (in an itemized, non-linear way)
- Novice/First-Time User
- Anaconda generated/guesses an appropriate setup asking only for localized information, window manager would give a sort of "Welcome to Fedora walkthrough"
- Use istall preferences from install media (usb, floppy, ftp, etc)
- Anaconda reads a file (possibly an xml file) which defines all the information it needs with the option to make changed after loading.
Based on this information, Anaconda would then only isntall what is necessary. For example, a First Time user in America won't need an ftp server, japaneese fonts, ssh server, etc, installed by default. This would give the ability to better lock down fresh installations so that people new to Fedora don't have unnecessary stuff that they will never need loading, but enthusists could have as much cutting edge as they may need. Such information I'm sure could be used in many other ways.
Just an idea I've had for awhile, I'm sure many will consider this to be not worth the trouble. But consider the possibilities such would add to the user experience.
Peace Arthur
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