On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 13:31, Rob Park wrote:
Trae McCombs wrote:
I was quite upset when FC1 was launched, and the following bug wasI have a feeling that you'll *really* like KDE, especially 3.2 when it comes out. It allows you to configure the focus model, and you can get pretty much anything. :)
allowed to permeate through:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115072
If I weren't so picky, and liked the consistency of things in GNOME on
Fedora, I would use KDE. It allows you to do all the things I want to
do. The biggest problem I have with KDE is that not a single
theme/style/whatever that I've found for KDE has as good a look and feel
as the Bluecurve setup does. Also, KDE has issues when it comes to
panel applets. People like to put way too much chrome on things, and
things end up looking clunky. GNOMEs panel applets feel integrated, and
not an afterthought.
The biggest thing is, I've tried very hard, at my friend Garrett's
suggestion, to use the defaults in Redhat8/9 and now Fedora Core 1.0. I
really like the work he's done, it's sad though that people can
arbitrarily kill off another persons feature without getting feedback
from the community. I guess this is where the whole "If you don't like
what I do go code something else yourself" mentality comes in to play.
IMHO, that shouldn't be the way to run a desktop environment. Before
taking out major features, the community at large should be consulted.
Then, and only then, should things be removed or added.
We simply cannot consult everyone nor should we take into account everyone's opinion. If we did that, the the desktop would contain every feature available in a clunky interface and would lack consistency. I don't think that's the right way to go.
(Having input from the community _is_ valuable though; don't take the above paragraph out of context. *smile*)
That being said, having sloppy focus with a click to raise a window is something I'd like too, as long as the click is passed through. I get around it by having autoraise turned on, but it's still annoying at times, especially in the GIMP (which is the reason why I'm using autoraise in the first place).
When you interact with a window, you expect it to react. I've closed the wrong window in the GIMP several times due to focus not being passed correctly, including various docks which I cannot get back the way I want without reconfiguring for several minutes. Other times it's a document I was working on that I would have to reopen. It's highly annoying, especially since Metacity (at one point in time) did the right thing.
Garrett
