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1. Re: Jornadas instalacion de software libre en Medellin
Colombia (CESAR FABIAN ORCCON CHIPANA)
2. Re: Jornadas instalacion de software libre en Medellin
Colombia (S.Kemter)
3. Re: Hi all, this is Matthew Whittle (Matt Whittle)
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:52:18 -0500
From: CESAR FABIAN ORCCON CHIPANA <fabian.orccon@xxxxxxx>
To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Jornadas instalacion de software libre en
Medellin Colombia
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Necesito lo siguiente: título del evento, dirección, fecha y hora en la que
se realizará el evento, organizaciones que auspician su evento y sus logos
(el logo de tu comunidad) en .svg. Posibles temas específicos que tratará
el evento no estaría demás, aunque no es necesario.
El 21 de octubre de 2012 00:06, wilinton acevedo rueda <wili920503@xxxxxxxxx
> escribió:
> Listo,perfecto ayudame con eso,quiero hacer una comunidad ya que empezamos
> unas jornadas de instalaciones de software libre y solo vemos la comunidad
> de ubuntu y debian, ya se estan volviendo cansonas en el sentido de que la
> gente solo ve esa dos opciones,por favor si puedes o al que vea este correo
> vivo en la ciudad de Medellin y la comunidad la pienso hacer en la ciudad,
> todo el que este interado contacteme en este correo para hablar y gestionar
> todo, gracias por la ayuda, responde este correo para que veamos como va
> hacer el tipo de cartel.
>
> Wilinton Acevedo Rueda
> wared-red.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> El 20 de octubre de 2012 21:48, CESAR FABIAN ORCCON CHIPANA <
> fabian.orccon@xxxxxxx> escribió:
>
> Si deseas ayuda en diseño de un afiche por ejemplo, cuenta conmigo
>> Un saludo.
>>
>> El 19 de octubre de 2012 23:23, wilinton acevedo rueda <
>> wili920503@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>
>>> Buenas noches señores Fedora, en mi ciudad van haber jornadas
>>> de instalación de software libre y quisiera preguntarle que hay que hacer
>>> para que estén presentes en algunas o una de las jornadas,de antemano
>>> les agradezco por la atención por favor responder este correo en español
>>> ya que cuando digo que respondan en español las respuestas salen en
>>> ingles,hasta luego.
>>>
>>> Wilinton Acevedo Rueda
>>> wared-red.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:06:49 +0200
From: "S.Kemter" <sirko.kemter@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Jornadas instalacion de software libre en
Medellin Colombia
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Please guys, as it is not really a design topic can you do this in private
or on another mailing list where it should be. So far I remember this list
is an english one.
br gnokii
2012/10/22 CESAR FABIAN ORCCON CHIPANA <fabian.orccon@xxxxxxx>
> Necesito lo siguiente: título del evento, dirección, fecha y hora en la
> que se realizará el evento, organizaciones que auspician su evento y sus
> logos (el logo de tu comunidad) en .svg. Posibles temas específicos que
> tratará el evento no estaría demás, aunque no es necesario.
>
> El 21 de octubre de 2012 00:06, wilinton acevedo rueda <
> wili920503@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>
> Listo,perfecto ayudame con eso,quiero hacer una comunidad ya que empezamos
>> unas jornadas de instalaciones de software libre y solo vemos la comunidad
>> de ubuntu y debian, ya se estan volviendo cansonas en el sentido de que la
>> gente solo ve esa dos opciones,por favor si puedes o al que vea este correo
>> vivo en la ciudad de Medellin y la comunidad la pienso hacer en la ciudad,
>> todo el que este interado contacteme en este correo para hablar y gestionar
>> todo, gracias por la ayuda, responde este correo para que veamos como va
>> hacer el tipo de cartel.
>>
>> Wilinton Acevedo Rueda
>> wared-red.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> El 20 de octubre de 2012 21:48, CESAR FABIAN ORCCON CHIPANA <
>> fabian.orccon@xxxxxxx> escribió:
>>
>> Si deseas ayuda en diseño de un afiche por ejemplo, cuenta conmigo
>>> Un saludo.
>>>
>>> El 19 de octubre de 2012 23:23, wilinton acevedo rueda <
>>> wili920503@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Buenas noches señores Fedora, en mi ciudad van haber jornadas
>>>> de instalación de software libre y quisiera preguntarle que hay que hacer
>>>> para que estén presentes en algunas o una de las jornadas,de antemano
>>>> les agradezco por la atención por favor responder este correo en español
>>>> ya que cuando digo que respondan en español las respuestas salen en
>>>> ingles,hasta luego.
>>>>
>>>> Wilinton Acevedo Rueda
>>>> wared-red.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> design-team mailing list
>>>> design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> http://cfoch-dev.tumblr.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:57:05 -0600
From: Matt Whittle <mattdwhittle@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hi all, this is Matthew Whittle
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Hi Lailah,
Ah! Totally fine. Mucho gusto! Vivi con tres hombres de Mexico, DF por
un ano.
So the idea is to take Fedora 17 and make it so that the Desktop Background
is animated. Then take that animated desktop background and make it so you
can interact with it. Then I would imagine if users liked it, the most
important feature requests would come from them.
To my previous email about what might happen after a Fedora 3D came out...
Gimp 3D
Let us entertain the idea that after the 3D Fedora came out, someone later
decided that they did want to make a 3D Gimp. How would that function?
Let's try to take Nicu's example and show how it would work in Gimp 3D.
http://howto.nicubunu.ro/gimp-grid/
Let's start with the toolbox to the left in the second picture on the
how-to page. You have a panel of tools and options near the bottom. In
the 3D world, tools are much like things you "pick up" in games. Similar
to switching weapons in doom, you would switch tools in 3D Gimp. You would
have your favorite 5 as one button hot keys and then for the others you
would push one hotkey to bring up the tools list, select the tool you want
to make active, and then use it as you normally would had you selected the
tool on the left with the current Gimp. If you wanted to change its
options, you would push the options hotkey and bring up the options panel,
dismissing it when you were done.
Of course, you would have to have non-hotkey ways of handling switching
tools and getting to options. So imagine in 3D Gimp if there was a hand
near the bottom (like in 3D games it shows you what weapon you are
currently using, it would show you there the active tool). So if you right
clicked that hand, it could bring up the options menu. If you left clicked
the hand, it could bring up the tools menu.
Let's talk about the pros and cons of this approach. The big pro is the
screen real estate that is saved. The tools panel and options panel is
brought up when needed and dismissed afterwards. The downside is number of
clicks. If the tool is not one of your favorites, it takes two clicks to
get there in 3D Gimp instead of one.
Now let's talk about the center window. On the top of the center window
there is a menu bar. It has been a thing in operating systems to make it
so that one task can be accomplished in a variety of ways. If you want to
copy, you can use the menu, or the hotkey, or rightclick on the object to
get a context sensitive menu, etc. However, this causes a larger learning
curve. It also causes confusion between people when one person is trying
to explain a series of steps to another and that one person's preference is
different than the other's. For example, the one person might say "Now
select Edit Copy" while the other person is used to hitting Ctrl+C. That
small bit of confusion is a small time waster and small stress factor. But
it can happen over and over.
Therefore, instead of a menu bar, they would become tools. If you wanted
to copy, you would go to the copy/paste tool. Your hand would look like
there was glue around it. When you copied something, a small image of the
thing you copied would sit in your hand so you knew what was on the
clipboard. It would also be good to persist that to disk so that it was
still in your hand should the computer suddenly restart, but that is
another topic. If you then wanted to, you could go to the bag tool and
stuff the thing you copied into a bag so that you could bring it back
later. This gives you the ability to copy multiple things. Then when you
pasted, it would paste like normal. You could also do a drag from the hand
at the bottom of the screen to paste. The item would remain in the hand
just like a normal copy and paste unless you went to the tool options and
told it you wanted it to drop what was copied on a paste.
What about View->Fullscreen? This would be like in some games, you select
an item and it uses it immediately, this tool would be one that you would
select and it immediately used without changing the active tool in the
hand. These tools that have immediate usage would have some kind of
indication (maybe a dotted border) that would designate it as an immediate
use tool.
Pros and Cons. Pro again is saved screen real estate. The menu bar isn't
needed. Pro again is less ways to do the same thing makes for faster
learning and less stressful teaching. Con - that is a whole lot of tools.
We're building a really big list. How do we manage this very large list of
tools?
Just like in a video game the tools you are carrying might not be all the
tools in the game, you would not carry every tool available. You would
have a set of tools that you carry, a smaller set that have quick hotkeys,
and if you ever needed a tool you weren't carrying, you would go to the
tool market. The OS itself would have a market for OS tools. Gimp would
have a Gimp market for Gimp tools. If you wanted a Gimp tool you weren't
carrying, you would hotkey to the market, go find the tool, "buy it"
although they'd all be free, and then you could use it. If it was a one
time thing, you could then just drop the tool. If you liked it, you could
keep the tool.
Let's say you just wanted to buy all the tools. You could organize them by
hotkey layout. You could also flag them as things - such as View, Layout,
Cool, Rarely Used or whatever you like. When you were in your tool menu,
you could filter by those flags you created (or the flags that Gimp put on
the tools). There would also be a search that you could type in to locate
a tool quickly by name or flag. The main point is that the user is in
charge of organizing their toolbox. And users who do it a lot will become
very proficient with their setup.
So we go to the wall and pull up 3D Gimp. We see the picture and layers to
the right. You want to go to New Guide. Let's say that is not a common
tool so we go into the tools menu. Chances are there is a Guide filter we
can use so we filter by guide. Then we choose the New Guide tool.
Let's stop there and discuss. The 3D Gimp way is 3 clicks. Tools, Guides,
New Guide tool. There are two lists to look through - List of filters and
List of guides. In the current Gimp, there are 2 clicks. One for Image
and one to click on New Guide. There are three lists to look through, one
list of menus(the bar that shows File... Edit... Select), one Image list
and one Guides list. There is also one mouse positional menu context
sensitive thing when you scroll the mouse down from Image to Guides. That
scroll is actually more stressful than a click because the scroll is harder
to control - you could accidentally move the mouse too far to the left,
causing it to hit the Image menu again and losing your Guides menu, or you
could be too fast and scroll to the right faster than the menu actually
pops up.
Ok, then this tool would be immediate and a new dialog box would pop up
just like you see with Horizontal and position 800. I imagine we'd keep
the shortcut with the horizontal or vertical ruler.
To check Snap To Guides, here I would reorganize things a little. I (but
I'm open to discussion on this) would make a View Options tool which would
show the state of all the currently selected options and have the ability
to change them. So I would say go to Tools, click a View filter, select
the View Options tool, and verify my options and change if necessary.
However, View Options might be a thing I use often so I would make a hotkey
for it. Then I would use the hotkey, verify my options and go.
Similar to New Guide, Add Alpha channel would be a tool. Tools, perhaps
Layer or Transparency, and Add Alpha Channel.
Duplicate Layer I use alot so I would have a hotkey for that - probably
Shift-Ctrl-D (just like current Gimp has today). Otherwise I'd go to
tools, Layer, Duplicate Layer.
Then you would select the rectangle tool but going Tools, perhaps Select,
Rectangle tool. You would draw on the screen the same way current Gimp
does it.
Invert by Tools, Select, Invert. Or Ctrl-I. Or since I use that a lot, I
might know to select Tools, and the Invert tool might pop up where I put it
last so I could just go Tools, Invert
Tools, Edit, Cut
... and I could go on but you get the idea. The organization of tools
would be similar to how a 3D game organizes tools. Beyond that, everything
is the same unless we want to talk about having multiple windows open.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On 10/18/2012 07:29 PM, Matt Whittle wrote:
Again, someone is working on a project. They create a room and
have all
the necessary windows for that project open in that room. They shut
down the computer, come back the next day, teleport to that room and
everything is ordered just like they left it.
And if someone wants to take a tutorial while learning Gimp, they
could
create a "learning room" where one wall is Firefox and one is Gimp.
Wow okay I'm talking a lot. Thoughts?
Just before reading your email I finished some work. I wrote an image
editing tutorial (http://howto.nicubunu.ro/gimp-grid/ if you wonder) so I
needed:
- the image editor, to capture the screenshots;
- the file manager, to move around and upload images and other files;
- the text editor to write the tutorial and html code;
- the web browser to check my progress and results.
All of them while:
- using the IRC window to chat with the person who asked for the
tutorial;
- keeping an eye on the email for important business priorities;
- get some important *personal* updated from a family member over IM.
Please help me understand how a 3D game-like interface would make my
work easier in such a scenario.
If your answer is: make a work-related room with all work apps on the
walls or make a room for each possible work scenario, then you are back at
your initial problem, long lists.
Your concept is more suited for something like a game console or a home
media player, not for a general purpose desktop system.
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Matt Whittle <mattdwhittle@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Hi Nicu,
>
> Awesome. Let's do this.
>
> Let's start with computer startup. Currently in both systems (our current
> Fedora and 3D Fedora) there is nothing running.
>
> First we boot up email. Chances are this is a favorite so in both systems
> it is easy to access. Then we boot up IRC. Chances are this is also a
> favorite. And since they are similar in nature (internet communication),
> lets say we put them in a room together in 3D Fedora. Let's say room we
> get to by choosing teleport-E. In Fedora 17, you can click on Activities
> and get a spacial list (even better than an ordered list) to switch between
> activities. In 3D Fedora you would turn right or turn left to switch
> between the two open applications.
>
> Ok so then let's say you read an email request from someone asking for a
> tutorial. In Fedora 17, you go to Activities, you pick Desktop 2 because
> perhaps that is how you like to be organized, and you open Gimp and Image
> Editor (screen capturer). In 3D Fedora, you would teleport to a new room
> and open Gimp and Image Editor on two walls, or if you have that combo as a
> common programs, you would teleport to a room that has Gimp and Image
> Editor already together. Let's assume that is teleport-G.
>
> So let's take a look at things so far. From computer startup, to get
> here, in Fedora 17, You click Activities, Evolution and then Activities,
> and perhaps locate the IRC app or go to Firefox. Then you switch to
> desktop 2 and go to Activities, Applications, Gimp and the Activities,
> Applications, Image Editor. In 3D Fedora, teleport-E gets you to email and
> IRC, teleport-G gets you to Gimp and Image Editor.
>
> Now you capture the first screenshot. You want to move it to a project
> folder. In Fedora 17, let's say you open it in the Desktop 2. Let's say
> you want to move the file into a new project folder named GimpGrid. In
> Fedora 17, you open two windows, navigate to where you want to create the
> source folder and create it, navigate to the destination directory,
> position the windows on the screen to perform the drag or copy from one and
> paste into the other. In 3D Fedora, files exist in 3D space. When you
> save a file, it shows up on the floor. When you save it, you give it a
> filename and tags. You don't put it in a folder, you give it tags. Then
> with the File Locator tool, you can look a file up by its tags. So lets
> say the screenshot gets named "Screenshot.png". We could then tag it
> "GimpGrid."
>
> Let's say then you want to check your email. In Fedora 17, you click on
> Activities, Desktop 1, Evolution. Then if you want to check IRC you click
> on Activities, then just IRC. In 3D Fedora, teleport-E gets you back to
> email every time. Turn right and you are at IRC. Teleport-G back to
> Gimp.
>
> Now let's say we go back to Gimp and open the text editor to write the
> Tutorial. This gets opened in Desktop 2 in 17 and in the Gimp room in 3D.
> When you want to switch Activities in 17, you click Activities and get a
> small spacial list of 3 applications to select from. When you want to
> switch activies in 3D, you turn left or right to the walls nearby that
> contain Gimp or the Screenshot program.
>
> Let's say then you find out you need to update a personal over IM. In 17,
> you go back to Desktop 1 and open IM. In 3D, you hit teleport-E and open IM
> on a new wall.
>
> Let's say you are using Firefox for your IRC. You want to open Firefox to
> check the progress and results of the tutorial. You go to Desktop2 but you
> can't open Firefox to because it is open in Desktop 1. So you open a
> couple new tabs in Desktop 1. In 3D Fedora, you open Firefox on a wall in
> the teleport-G room.
>
> Then let's say you are doing IRC, so you are on the IRC tab in Firefox.
> You switch to Gimp and do something. You switch to Text editor and write
> something. Now you want to switch to see the results. In 17, you click
> Activities, Desktop 1, Firefox. Then once you are in Firefox you select
> the tab that contains the results an hit refresh. In 3D Fedora,
> teleport-G, turn left and hit refresh.
>
> Now really, we could create a 2D Fedora 18 that allows you to set up your
> Desktops with pre-opened programs, navigate to them with keyboard
> shortcuts, and switch between them with "turning left or right" and it
> would be just as functional as the 3D Fedora I am suggesting.
>
> .....the 3D Fedora would just have a coolness factor to it that would draw
> people.... as long as it really was functional and fast.
>
> I'm going to write another something about Gimp in a sec
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2012 07:29 PM, Matt Whittle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Again, someone is working on a project. They create a room and have all
>>> the necessary windows for that project open in that room. They shut
>>> down the computer, come back the next day, teleport to that room and
>>> everything is ordered just like they left it.
>>>
>>> And if someone wants to take a tutorial while learning Gimp, they could
>>> create a "learning room" where one wall is Firefox and one is Gimp.
>>>
>>> Wow okay I'm talking a lot. Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> Just before reading your email I finished some work. I wrote an image
>> editing tutorial (http://howto.nicubunu.ro/**gimp-grid/<http://howto.nicubunu.ro/gimp-grid/>if you wonder) so I needed:
>> - the image editor, to capture the screenshots;
>> - the file manager, to move around and upload images and other files;
>> - the text editor to write the tutorial and html code;
>> - the web browser to check my progress and results.
>> All of them while:
>> - using the IRC window to chat with the person who asked for the tutorial;
>> - keeping an eye on the email for important business priorities;
>> - get some important *personal* updated from a family member over IM.
>>
>> Please help me understand how a 3D game-like interface would make my work
>> easier in such a scenario.
>>
>> If your answer is: make a work-related room with all work apps on the
>> walls or make a room for each possible work scenario, then you are back at
>> your initial problem, long lists.
>>
>> Your concept is more suited for something like a game console or a home
>> media player, not for a general purpose desktop system.
>>
>>
>> --
>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
>> photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/
>>
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