On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 21:52 +0000, Christoph Wickert wrote: > I wonder if this process is described somewhere: > * How can one request a change of the guidelines? > * Who decides about a change and who is empowered to make it? > * Are changes double-checked with the trademark owner? Fedora legal and Red Hat legal were consulted throughout the process. The logo is trademark of Red Hat, Inc. The current Fedora logo's design was funded by Red Hat and was designed by a Red Hat employee (at the time) Matt Munoz. He wrote the original guidelines to accompany them, as is the norm in logo design situations. I designed all of the other logos on that page, including the FUDcon logo, the four foundations logos, and the Fedora application and groups sublogos, and Ian and I came up with the guidelines to accompany those designs working together. We both have a great deal of experience dealing with logo usage situation as we've both been maintainers of the Fedora logo request queue. This means we have a pretty good understanding in what situations the logo is used and the types of logo requests Fedora as a project receives. We put that to use in creating these guidelines. If you think a change to the guidelines is necessary you can discuss it here. Both Ian and I are subscribed to this list. Any kind of governance issues you'd like to bring up for these items, especially the trademarked items, is not really appropriate to bring up on this list. I would recommend that you contact Fedora legal and/or the Fedora board on those issues as they are off-topic for the design team list. > > - Coverage of the Fedora application and group sublogos. > > The sublogos are a good example. The logo usage guidelines describe a > certain amount of clearing around the logo and the sublogos are an > exception to that rule as they don't have sufficient clearing. No. You're misunderstanding how logo design works. The sublogos have their own clearing guidelines. They are explicitly approved variations on the main Fedora logo, as the guidelines state. They are explicit exceptions to the main logo's clearspace rules. There is no clearspace violation with these sublogos because they are special exceptions that have been designed by the logo maintainers in response to an identified community need. > Somebody > could just violate the guidelines and declare it a sublogo. No, they could not. You are not automatically granted a trademark license to use the logos by reading this page and following the rules on it, which the page states explicitly at least a couple of times. As outlined in the guidelines, you are supposed to request permission for your particular usage of the logo in writing to logo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. If your proposed usage is approved, then you are granted permission to create your logo. So sure, anybody could write logo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and say they would like to create a Fedora group sublogo that is for a new group they are forming called 'Fedora Hot Dog Haters.' However, if they are not given approval via the logo queue to create such a logo, and they go ahead and do so anyway, then they are doing it without approval and really shouldn't be doing it. For any more particulars on this, again I must defer to Fedora legal and I request that you take up further discussion on this point with Fedora legal and do not continue discussion of it here on design-team. > Do we have > an authoritative list of all sublogos? How would one request a new one? No. Do you need such a list? As the page states pretty clearly in 18pt font, if you want to make use of any logo designs on the page please send your request to logo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Hope this helps. Cheers, ~m _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
