On Wed, 18 May 2011 11:24:30 -0400 MÃirÃn Duffy wrote: > On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 15:58 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > > > Still there's absolutely no need to go out of your way and design > > something completely different. > > Actually there was, let me explain. I started working with Tatica's > latest file around 5 PM last night. I exported all the individual > elements she and I had created (we had worked together on the > wallpaper before I left for SXSW + Wedding + Honeymoon + Red Hat > Summit) to fit a 1920x1200 wallpaper size, then I pulled them in as > individual layers in the Gimp and started styling them. > > The problem is it is a very challenging composition. It got to be 1:00 > AM, I was not making much progress. I was trying to fix the aurora > graphics that I'd done in the original SVG. I ended up taking some > stock smoke photographs, colorizing them, and trying to make them > into a nice-looking aurora. Since it was getting late and abstract > compositions are a lot easier and less-challenging, and since if we > were going to do a 0-zero day it really had to be done today > (Wednesday), I stayed up until 3 AM to style the auroras into an > abstract wallpaper that could be used. > > If I had maybe 96 hours to work on it, absolutely I wouldn't have had > to 'go out of my way' (except I really just worked with aurora > designs, which was actually on the way) to do something 'completely > different' (again, working with the original aurora layer from the > current wallpaper.) > I understand that, still I think it is not wise to change the design post-GA. In my humble opinion it would be better to just take your time, if that's what you need, and target not 0-day but maybe the first week and polish what's there instead of throwing most of it off. I believe anything other than that would create lots of negative feelings and/or negative feedback. > You can see the evolution in the XCFs and other files here (currently > uploading): > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f15/2/ > Thanks for that :-) > Our last team meeting was March 1. After that I had to take care of > SXSW, prepare for my wedding, get married, take a honeymoon, and then > work day & night in prep for the Red Hat Summit, then go to the > Summit. Understand this timeline first. > > Now I want you to look at the log from that meeting: > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2011-03-01/fedora-design.2011-03-01-20.00.html > > Tatica worked her butt off. You can see from the log (and the ones > before it I am sure) that I helped her while I was here. Who helped > her while I was gone? > Answer to that question is, sadly, no-one. The most I produced was feedback and packaging. I tried fixing some glitches, but gave up after seeing that every action, even as simple as selecting an object, takes a lot of time (on the order of few minutes) on my ancient hardware :-( Come to think of it, I'm not sure how many people knew you were simply away and not MIA, but I recall at least blog post about your wedding and Tatica mentioning your honeymoon. Seeing back on what was (not) being done during that time, it would be perhaps a good idea to have a vice-leader (or backup-leader ;-)) who could help managing things (like IRC meetings, "bugging" people about deadlines, ...) in your absence. > This is from March 3: > http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/F15/sky-background3.png > > At this point I remember distinctly Tatica saying, again before I > left, that it wasn't finished and needed more polish, and I remember > her mentioning polish ideas that don't look like they were applied in > the final product. I didn't think then that she would disagree with a > last-ditch effort to apply polish for F15. > > The goal here is to collaborate and work together using free software > tools to make Fedora look great. The goal is not to enact a > conspiracy, hurt anyone's feelings, or disrespect anyone's work. I > would have thought coming from me, this would have gone without > saying, and I'm hurt and confused as to why so many have interpreted > this effort so very differently. > People who know you well enough probably wouldn't interpret it the "bad way", but from an outsider point of view it certainly looks different than intended. > > Please don't take it offensively, I just don't feel that throwing > > something - that was already done and that will be present on every > > Fedora 15 Review that does feature other than gnome desktops - out is > > the way to go, irrespective of what change in quality it delivers. > > I feel as if there's a lot more respect here for process than the > outcome of the process. Well, I'd say, for me they're both equally important. We are promoting doing design the opensource way, so the process should be very important to us. > In the end how much does it matter that > reviews show a different wallpaper? Are reviewers more important than > Fedora users? > Erm, I don't want to start the branding flame again... So I try to be quick: the users look at the reviews, see the wallpaper, then install, update and see something *completely* different. Would they feel happy? Or sad? Or confused? Or deceived? I don't know, but one should always have in mind the worst case scenario before making big decisions. Martin
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