On Saturday, December 18, 2010 02:23:52 am MÃirÃn Duffy wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 22:28 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > > IMHO this would lessen Fedora's visual identity a lot. Imagine you boot > > a F15 Desktop Live and what you see is almost pristine GNOME 3 desktop. > > Where's Fedora in it? Where's our own visual identity in it? > > Our visual identity would (if the proposal is accepted) be present on > the website, on the DVD disc labels and sleeves, in syslinux, in the > installer, in firstboot, in plymouth, and on the login screen. The > wallpaper we design will be the default for GDM. > > > Moreover, > > > > KDE shipped our wallpaper with the 4.0 release, why should we treat > > GNOME differently? Is it some new trend? > > I honestly don't remember the KDE SIG ever approaching us with this > request. And honestly why would they? - they aren't the default > download, so it's not up to this team, it's up to the KDE SIG what to > do. This team, the design team, has purview over the default wallpaper > in the default Fedora. Spins have always been able to change their > wallpapers as they've liked, and we've even designed alternative > wallpapers for them at their request (e.g., Education Spin and Security > Spin.) Actually I asked for something I proposed here - KDE was in the same situation one year ago... And I still think it's a good idea - to merge upstream/downstream branding - it would work best for both Gnome and KDE, it's long-term solution etc. I'll try to write down the proposal. But you said it - Gnome spin is now the default one - we should take care about our jewel. R. > > OK, so upstream wants to promote GNOME 3. I'm not a fan of gnome-shell > > (quite the contrary), but let them do it. But why the visual identity? > > It's the behaviour, the work-flow, the experience that makes GNOME 3 > > from end-user point of view, and it's the visual identity that makes our > > distro Fedora from end-user POV (among other things, but the visual > > identity is the first thing you see). > > They believe the stripes is part of their upstream visual identity. To > be fair, they are producing a lot of nice visual materials including > videos that have the stripes - because as a DE they must remain neutral > wrt distros, so they obviously cannot pick a favorite in choosing a > wallpaper. They would like the visual identity then across > GNOME-produced materials and Fedora materials and materials produced by > journalists and other reviewers checking out GNOME 3 via Fedora to be > consistent. This makes sense to me. After F15, it won't be as big a deal > since all the hooplah will be over, so at that point we can go back to > the standard operating procedure. > > > So in short, let's be *first* to ship GNOME 3 and let's be *first* to > > ship it with our own visual identity. We, the fedora design team, should > > be leaders in our area as well ;-) > > I am unsure if we will be the first to ship GNOME 3. Certainly we will > be first to ship it by default. I don't understand how we are being > leaders in what you suggest here. > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list > design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- Jaroslav ÅeznÃk <jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/ _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
