On Friday, December 17, 2010 03:44:37 pm Owen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 12:23 +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: > > Wow..... Just heard about this now. With all due respect, this is > > BULLSHIT. You are telling me you couldn't have told the team earlier? > > Maybe BEFORE we all started ramping up to do the F15 wallpaper? This > > decision must've been in the works for quite some time. > > There's no secret cabal meeting a backroom to make decisions about how > we configure GNOME in Fedora; just a bunch of developers with overfilled > todo lists. > > Obviously, the GNOME artists have been working on the look of GNOME 3 > for a while and selected the stripes background months ago. But it was > really only yesterday when we saw the notice for the sketching sessions > for the Fedora 15 background process that we connected the dots and > realized that couldn't be two things configured as the default > background for GNOME 3.0 in Fedora 15. > > I certainly apologize for not bringing this up earlier. We should have > brought it up earlier. (But it's still pretty early in the process, too, > right?) > > > This is disappointing as hell. I had expected nonsense like that > > within the Ubuntu community, but not with Fedora. This would've been a > > chance to really set Fedora apart and create the best Gnome 3 > > experience everywhere in an open and transparent way. We've said so > > since the last GUADEC. That is what the Design Team is for. If we just > > dictate a wallpaper from up hight, that maybe transparent but it's not > > open. At least not in my understanding of it. And now this, out of > > nowhere. What exactly is the Design Team doing for F15 now? Why are we > > even there at all? > > Our general approach with the GNOME components in Fedora is to work > upstream whenever possible. It's very seldom that there's a change that > makes sense in Fedora that doesn't make sense upstream. So we try to > just do the change upstream. > > I think we'd see the art the same way; if the icons can be improved, if > we can do a more attractive widget theme, then we should do that for > GNOME. > > So, I guess we haven't necessarily seen the need for a big process to > design artwork for GNOME 3 in Fedora 15 that is separate from the normal > flow to design artwork for GNOME 3. The GNOME artists are very friendly > and open to people getting involved. You can find them on #gnome-art and > #gnome-design on GimpNet. > > Obviously, there's work to be done to coordinate the user experience for > GNOME 3 and Fedora and make it fit together - at every level from how > the websites interact on down. There's still a few months to make that > happen. Fedora is not Gnome only :) What about Gnome 3 Fedora Remix for Gnome demo version? Other desktop environments are using these approach - it's very easy to do it, everything can be rebranded but mention Fedora Remix somewhere :) If not a Remix, I don't care if Gnome spin goes with non Gnome theme anymore - it's up to you, your responsibility, your choice Fedora or Gnome ;-) But we need then answer for other spins/old Gnome 2.x - are we going to prepare theme for F15 (looks like, I'd appreciate that, you guys here rocks!), or should we go to upstream wallpaper too (upstreams would be happy then ;-). But it's decision not only for F15 but F15+ - skipping from our, to upstream's theme, then back is not a good idea. Very inconsistent behaviour. Jaroslav > - Owen > > > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list > design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- Jaroslav ÅeznÃk <jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/ _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
