Hi all, Ian Weller wrote on 07/30/2010 01:42 PM: > Yesterday I met with Pam Chestek, Red Hat's Senior IP Attorney, about > some of the requested and proposed changes to Fedora's trademarks. > Here's a summary of our conversation; Pam promised she'd respond with > the legal bases and answer any questions you guys might have. > > Part of the meeting was attempting to understand, just for my own > personal knowledge, how the heck trademark law affects how we use and > distribute our logo. If you guys have any questions on this, feel free > to ask and Pam will answer. > > I may have messed up on a few things below, so IANAL, Pam will correct > me, etc. :) > > > == The Fedora logo == > > One of the things I've been spending time on is changing all the little > "TM" symbols to our new font, Comfortaa. It was formerly written in > Interstate, which is a commercial font, so we wanted to change that. > > From both a brand and legal perspective, both Pam and I agreed that > changing the font for "Fedora" in the logo would not be a good idea, > because it is far more likely to confuse someone who sees the Fedora > logo than impress them that we now use a free font. > There are two fundamental reasons for this. Here, the switch from Bryant2 to Comfortaa in the word "Fedora" is fairly noticeable, particularly the "d." It is a significant undertaking to rebrand, but in addition to the sheer work of pushing out a change, the lack of consistency during the transition adversely impacts recognizability and creates (at a minimum) subconscious uncertainty about the authenticity and reliability of the brand. This is also a bigger problem for Fedora than most brands because of the way that the Fedora branding is disseminated, which makes it impossible to have a quick transition. We're therefore looking at a period of at least several years of confusing identity. The advantages of consistency are so high, and a rebranding has such a negative impact on a brand, that most companies won't rebrand unless their logos are hopelessly dated or the company wants to deliberately distance itself from the former identity. The second reason is more pragmatic. As it is, we find unauthorized uses fairly commonly. People create their own design files for the trademarks, but they can often be recognized because of the errors made in creating the imitation. Using a freely available font will make it easier for copyists to create a more exact representation of our logo, which we don't want. The current font is a bit of sand in the engine that helps us protect the uniqueness of our mark. > > == Logo distribution == > > All SVG files containing the Fedora wordmark or the Infinity design logo > will continue to be distributed by request by emailing > logo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > The remaining logos (at this point Foundations and FUDCon) will be > distributed through a tarball that may be downloaded via HTTP from > somewhere on fedoraproject.org. Although these logos are still Fedora > trademarks, Legal is not worried about rampant misuse of these logos, > but we will still be sure to enforce the proper use of our trademarks. > Just to explain the thinking, we're pretty clear in all the information we provide about when and how someone has permission to use our logos, so the fact that someone gets their hands on an svg (or png for that matter) can't be construed as permission to use the logo. But restricting access to the logos is one tool that, on a practical level, limits people's ability to use our logos without permission. Given the importance of the Fedora and infinity logos, putting some controls on how easy it is to get exact representations makes sense. With respect to the FUDCon and Foundations logos, though, at the moment we don't really see those being used improperly, and its much easier for everyone who has legitimate need if we put up the svg files, so that's worthwhile. If we see these files getting used improperly frequently, we can revert to the same practice we have for the Fedora and infinity logos, but we don't need to for now. Pam _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team