Seth Vidal (skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) said: > >> Afaict nothing done on the linux desktop in the last 10 yrs has > >> been anything other than a copy of whatever windows and osx did > >> before. > > > > gnome-shell certainly doesn't look like Windows or Mac to me. Neither > > does Moblin, for that matter. (Neither did the original specs of > > Enlightenment, and that was a long time ago.) > > Gnome shell is your example? Have you used a macbook recently? The last time I used it Exposé wasn't there - that obviously shows similarities. But if it was truly following OSX, I would think there'd be more of a dock, less of a focus on workspaces as top level objects, less use of the contextual menu for picking applications.) But, meh. It's certainly trying something *new* over just maintaining the old. And I want to be willing to try and fail rather than just muddle along - and those that try need to be able to make choices. I would hope it's a given point that you can't do the *best* design for any one particular usage case without making choices at some point. If we fail to make any choices, we'll be equally mediocre at everything. (While that may be a goal, it's not my goal.) So we need a framework for people to be able to make those choices. At our current level of engagement, volunteers, and resources, I don't know that we can handle the sort of combinatorial explosion if all groups make separate choices which all need to be supported. That's why I feel it may be healthy to make some choices as a whole project. If we can find a way to make choices at a lower level while still keeping the project maintainable, that's great too. We already do, for the most part, make choices at a product-wide level. We've chosen that we don't want to support those who want a 3 (or 5, or 7) year lifespan for the product. We've chosen that we're not basing the world on zypper, or apt. We've implicitly chosen from a desktop target audience that nobody is targeting those who want to run TWM and xdm. Bill _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team