> I am worried about this tendency, from both Fedora and Ubuntu, of > dumbing-down the desktop spins: if Windows does not offer any useful > application out-of-the-box,our key to success is NOT to lower to the > same level and also offer nothing useful as the OOTB experience. Out of the box, the Desktop spin offers: - a web browser - a mail/calendar/etc client - a VoIP/video chat program - a media/movie player - a music library player - a word processor - a document viewer - a photo viewr with simple editing Especially with the move to many web-based services and applications, I find that a far cry from 'does not offer any useful application', even if one particular one you may prefer isn't on there. Bill _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team