O/H Máirín Duffy έγραψε: > Dimitris Glezos wrote: >> O/H Máirín Duffy έγραψε: >>> So I'm not really sure how much leeway we have with the logo guidelines >>> at all. Since it's still intellectually the property of Red Hat and by >>> using it we are bound to the guidelines we agreed to when we received >>> the files, we really can't change the guidelines. >> >> I think the logo is just fine. Guidelines should be for keeping things >> under >> control, not stifling innovation. > > Right, but guidelines are also for making sure that the logo, including > the logotype and logomark, are defensible as trademarked. See, the logo > was trademarked as described in the guidelines, so if we start using it > outside those guidelines we risk losing the trademark which right now > Red Hat would like to protect. [...] > > So, I strongly recommend removing the white outline on the Fedora logomark. > > [...] >> Instead of this, I would prefer >> something like "So, fedora-artwork concluded that the current >> guidelines don't >> contrast well with dark backgrounds. Since this logo is a fedora-artwork >> approved solution, we'll incorporate this into the guidelines". > > I would not say that the white outline is a fedora-artwork approved > solution at this point. I think this is still under discussion. > > I can try to contact people within Red Hat to see if the white outline > variation is OK or not, but I think it would be far easier to just > remove it. Máirín, please note a couple of points: 1. The theme I suggested as "preferred" (v3b) uses the official Fedora logo on the right side of the header. See the live version at: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fc6-browser-splash/ 2. I didn't design the injudicial logo. In fact, I found it as part of Fedora Core at `/usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/rh_logo-header.png`. Furthermore, the whole default theme of FC5 was based on a Fedora logo which is inside a 3D white outline :) : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview I think the white outline was beautiful and that it could be defended as an equal to the original trademarked one in a court very profoundly. 3. In my last mail I agreed that the artwork and the guidelines should be aligned. We should include a version with white outline in the guidelines produced by the fedora-artwork team. So, I agree with all the points concerning the guidelines. I believe we are wasting time with this whole discussion because the modification is very small and could be included in the guidelines by now. Please let's go on and include it because the artwork and the people need it. Finally, please do bear in mind that these discussions are a real "stop energy" [1] to volunteers. -dim [1]: http://www.userland.com/whatIsStopEnergy -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos@xxxxxxxxxx, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
