Máirín Duffy wrote: > For everyone's benefit, we had a discussion about this on irc, attached. > > ~m Attached is the log part 2. I'll be writing up a summary tonight. :) ~m
mizmo__ warren: ill email this log so people can get a background warren mizmo__, you can administrate the list, so you can post an over-length mail mizmo__ okie andreasn mizmo__: with all my crappy explanations and all? :) dfong hehe, it's all there...but makes it easier for the rest of us (who wasn't part of the conversation) to figure out what's going on * warren nods toward dfong mizmo__ andreasn: well where pepole are confused we can flesh it out in the thread * ignacio (n=ivazquez@fedora/ignacio) has joined #fedora-art * ignacio would just like to say that Tango is the ultimate proof that taste is subjective mizmo__ hehe what do you mean by that ignacio? andreasn wow, I just found some foxtrot icons in the small sizes, some dude made them and posted them as a comment in my blog ignacio My brother and I had a look at the Tango icons the other say, and we both came to the same conclusion... ignacio They're fugly as hell. ignacio Anyways, I talked to my brother a bit about the Art project and he should hopefully be sending a message to the list within a couple of days. mizmo__ ignacio: people tend to love them or hate them i think, i haven't seen much in the middle mizmo__ ignacio: they are nice, just not my taste personally mizmo__ ignacio: fabulous, i look forward to hearing from him halfline so you don't love them or hate them? halfline just somewhere in the middle? * mizmo__ kicks halfline mizmo__ :) warren fugly, heh. mizmo__ halfline: i can appreciate the fact they are rendered with a lot of skill, but lets say i do not love the rendering ignacio He showed me a couple of small samples already and I was impressed by them. mizmo__ i dont want this to turn into a tango bash fest mizmo__ it's more like, both from what i've seen, fedora developers and users appreciate hvaing their own identity when it comes to aesthetics ignacio The Tango icons look like they have had a lot of work put into them, but just a bit short on skill. mizmo__ maybe agreeing upon the metaphors used, for example, would be more productive and meet the goals tango is trying to meet mizmo__ because if you agree on a metaphor, you're not locked into a particular aesthetic mizmo__ and when you lock people into an aesthetic, further more, it becomes much easier for the icons to become 'dated' looking andreasn btw, if you have any suggestions on how we could make the guidelines better, like if some of the palette colors suck andreasn please tell us andreasn they are not set in stone in any way dfong mizmo__ the metaphors was one of the things i was hoping to adopt from Tango...it would also help to provide a consistent way of thinking with users... mizmo__ andreasn: it's not the palette colors specifically as its just the entire aesthetic. * dfong nod mizmo__ andreasn: what i think would be better is like what dfong is suggesting - guidelines for the icon metaphors mizmo__ andreasn: because i think (i hope) the whole point is to make the linux desktop across distros easier to use andreasn but one problem still remains, what style should isv's use for their icons? mizmo__ andreasn: the icon metaphor i think is really more the meat of the usability issue than the actual aesthetic appearance mizmo__ andreasn: isv's can use whichever style they want. mizmo__ andreasn: if they want to use tango and that's the standard, then that is fine by me but they should have a choice mizmo__ andreasn: if we (fedora) want to have our own look, we'll deal with the inconsistentcy. we'd like the option to provide our own artwork for 'ISVs' as well though (i could see us providing artwork for apps that are at least within core if not extras as well) mizmo__ i was unaware that the specification did not account for customizing app icons mizmo__ (before speaking with you in here today) andreasn yeah, well, it was the inconsitency aspect I was worried about mizmo__ andreasn: if it's decided by The Powers That Be that ISVs will follow the tango style by default, we'll handle the inconsistency ourselves andreasn mizmo__: ok, cool mizmo__ andreasn: i think everybody agrees though that the spec is great and we'd love to interoperate with that to make it easy for people to switch their icon themes mizmo__ ive not heard anything to the contrary of that anyway warren mizmo__, (might need to post more logs to the list again)
