Hi again I unplugged the original xraid and did some tests on a non-production one, building larger and larger filesystems, mounting, & dismounting. I can reproduce the problem with this sequence: * boot with xraid device plugged in, kernel 2.6.7-1-686-smp (packaged as 2.6.7-1.backports.org.1) * install a gpt disklabel with parted (-1.6.24 rather than 1.6.19) * make an ext2 filesystem as big as the disk with parted * mount - it mounts ok * umount * tune2fs -j (-1.38) * mount - it mounts ok (-2.12) * umount (-2.12) * reboot * try to mount - it fails. (the filesystem is not mentioned in /etc/fstab, the system should not be attempting to mount it of fsck it at boot time) No files were written to the filesystem during the test sequence. I have not yet tried filesystems smaller than 2Tb across reboots. I expect it will work, but I will try that shortly to check. findsuper tells me there are superblocks, but fs_blk_sz changes (!?) # /root/e2fsprogs-1.38/misc/findsuper /dev/sdb1 starting at 0, with 512 byte increments thisoff block fs_blk_sz blksz grp last_mount 17920 17 586057719 4096 0 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 134234624 131088 586057719 4096 1 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 134235648 131089 586057719 4096 1 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 209733120 204817 1023983 1024 25 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 226510336 221201 1023983 1024 27 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 402670080 393232 586057719 4096 3 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 402671104 393233 586057719 4096 3 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 411059712 401425 1023983 1024 49 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 671105536 655376 586057719 4096 5 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 671106560 655377 586057719 4096 5 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 679495168 663569 1023983 1024 81 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 939540992 917520 586057719 4096 7 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 939542016 917521 586057719 4096 7 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 1207976448 1179664 586057719 4096 9 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 1207977472 1179665 586057719 4096 9 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 3355460096 3276816 586057719 4096 25 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 3355461120 3276817 586057719 4096 25 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 3623895552 3538960 586057719 4096 27 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 3623896576 3538961 586057719 4096 27 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 6576685568 6422544 586057719 4096 49 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 6576686592 6422545 586057719 4096 49 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 10871652864 10616848 586057719 4096 81 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 10871653888 10616849 586057719 4096 81 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 16777232896 16384016 586057719 4096 125 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 16777233920 16384017 586057719 4096 125 Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970 ^C This is not looking good... Your nice od trick tells me slightly different locations for the superblock signatures - # od -Ax -tx4 /dev/sdb1 | \ grep "^[0-9a-f]*30 [0-9a-f]* [0-9a-f]* 000[1-3]ef53 " 004630 436a93dd 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 8004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 c804630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 d804630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 18004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 18804630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 28004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 28804630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 38004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 48004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 c8004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 d8004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 88004630 00000000 001e0000 0001ef53 00000001 ^C 0x004630 corresponds to byte offset 17968, 48 bytes away. Is this explainable by the position of the superblock signature within the disk block? 0x8004630 corresponds to 134220222, delta=14400. This is confusing me. So I tried a few e2fsck runs. I know I'm probably being dense but none of these worked: e2fsck -n -b 16 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 17 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 18 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 204816 -B 1024 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 204817 -B 1024 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 204818 -B 1024 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 221200 -B 1024 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 221201 -B 1024 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 221202 -B 1024 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 1179664 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 1179665 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 6422544 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 6422545 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 10616848 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck -n -b 10616849 -B 4096 /dev/sdb1 (The e2fsck manpage could be a tiny bit clearer in that - I think - it means you to use -b <blocknumber>, not -b <offset_to_superblock>) oh, and just trying to mount does not work, as one might expect. # mount -text2 /dev/sdb1 /tmp/a mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, or too many mounted file systems (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside?) I did straces of the e2fsck before and after the reboot; would it help to send those? Thanks again Vince _______________________________________________ Ext3-users@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ext3-users