On 26.06.2019 11:56, Andrzej Hajda wrote:
> On 25.06.2019 18:26, Doug Anderson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:07 AM Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On 19.06.2019 23:07, Douglas Anderson wrote:
>>>> Let's add some better support for HDMI audio to dw_hdmi.
>>>> Specifically:
>>>>
>>>> 1. For 44.1 kHz audio the old code made the assumption that an N of
>>>> 6272 was right most of the time. That wasn't true and the new table
>>>> should pick a more ideal value.
>>> Why? I ask because it is against recommendation from HDMI specs.
>> The place where it does matter (and why I originally did this work) is
>> when you don't have auto-CTS. In such a case you really need "N" and
>> "CTS" to make the math work and both be integral. This makes sure
>> that you don't slowly accumulate offsets. I'm hoping that this point
>> should be non-controversial so I won't argue it more.
>>
>> I am an admitted non-expert, but I have a feeling that with Auto-CTS
>> either the old number or the new numbers would produce pretty much the
>> same experience.
>
> Because Auto-CTS mechanism will alternate between two or more CTS values
> every frame, thus it will compensate non-rational clock relationship.
>
>
>> AKA: anyone using auto-CTS won't notice any change
>> at all. I guess the question is: with Auto-CTS should you pick the
>> "ideal" 6272 or a value that allows CTS to be the closest to integral
>> as possible. By reading between the lines of the spec, I decided that
>> it was slightly more important to allow for an integral CTS. If
>> achieving an integral CTS wasn't a goal then the spec wouldn't even
>> have listed special cases for any of the clock rates. We would just
>> be using the ideal N and Auto-CTS and be done with it. The whole
>> point of the tables they list is to make CTS integral.
>
> Specification recommends many contradictory things without explicit
> prioritization, at least I have not found it.
>
> So we should relay on our intuition.
>
> I guess that with auto-cts N we should follow recommendation - I guess
> most sinks have been better tested with recommended values.
>
> So what with non-auto-cts case:
>
> 1. How many devices do not have auto-cts? how many alternative TMDS
> clocks we have? Maybe it is theoretical problem.
>
> 2. Alternating CTS in software is possible, but quite
> complicated/annoying, but at least it will follow recommendation :)
>
>
> Regards
>
> Andrzej
>
>
>>
>>>> 2. The new table has values from the HDMI spec for 297 MHz and 594
>>>> MHz.
>>>>
>>>> 3. There is now code to try to come up with a more idea N/CTS for
>>>> clock rates that aren't in the table. This code is a bit slow because
>>>> it iterates over every possible value of N and picks the best one, but
>>>> it should make a good fallback.
>>>>
>>>> NOTES:
>>>> - The oddest part of this patch comes about because computing the
>>>> ideal N/CTS means knowing the _exact_ clock rate, not a rounded
>>>> version of it. The drm framework makes this harder by rounding
>>>> rates to kHz, but even if it didn't there might be cases where the
>>>> ideal rate could only be calculated if we knew the real
>>>> (non-integral) rate. This means that in cases where we know (or
>>>> believe) that the true rate is something other than the rate we are
>>>> told by drm.
>>>> - This patch makes much less of a difference after the patch
>>>> ("drm/bridge: dw-hdmi: Use automatic CTS generation mode when using
>>>> non-AHB audio"), at least if you're using I2S audio. The main goal
>>>> of picking a good N is to make it possible to get a nice integral
>>>> CTS value, but if CTS is automatic then that's much less critical.
>>> As I said above HDMI recommendations are different from those from your
>>> patch. Please elaborate why?
>>>
>>> Btw I've seen your old patches introducing recommended N/CTS calculation
>>> helpers in HDMI framework, unfortunately abandoned due to lack of interest.
>>>
>>> Maybe resurrecting them would be a good idea, with assumption there will
>>> be users :)
>> I have old patches introducing this into the HDMI framework? I don't
>> remember them / can't find them. Can you provide a pointer?
And forgot answer this:
My mistake the patches were by Arnaud Pouliquen[1].
[1]: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/8906791/
Regards
Andrzej
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>>
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