Seems like we ended up all over the place, so let me try afresh. Above all: - Saying "I don't care" about your users is arrogant - let us _not_ do that, please ? Even Linux distribution maintainers have responded that "upstream does not care us", which is indicative that we should be more careful what we say. For the rest - we're dealing with two orthogonal issues here: * Multiple build systems I believe we'll all agree that I might be the person who's been in all the build systems the most. Yes I _would_ _love_ to drop it all but we simply _cannot_ do that yet: - [currently] there is no viable solution for Android - dropping the Autotools will lead to OpenBSD and NetBSD having to write one from scratch, IIRC Solaris/FreeBSD and others are in similar boat. These projects have been getting closer to upstream and "forcing" the extra obstacle is effectively giving them the middle finger. * Slow build times Before we jump into "the next cool thing", let us properly utilise what we have at the moment. - I've asked multiple times about numbers behind those "let's make the build faster" patches, but never got any :-\ - I can improve things but would need access to a fancy XX core system to do rudimentary benchmarks/checks and test patches. Thanks Emil _______________________________________________ dri-devel mailing list dri-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel