On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:41:52PM +0100, Christian König wrote: > Am 08.12.2016 um 16:34 schrieb Daniel Vetter: > > On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 09:33:25AM -0500, Harry Wentland wrote: > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > just a quick clarification in-line about "validation" inside atomic_commit. > > > > > > On 2016-12-08 04:59 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 09:02:13PM -0500, Harry Wentland wrote: > > > > > We propose to use the Display Core (DC) driver for display support on > > > > > AMD's upcoming GPU (referred to by uGPU in the rest of the doc). In order to > > > > > avoid a flag day the plan is to only support uGPU initially and transition > > > > > to older ASICs gradually. > > > > > > > > > > The DC component has received extensive testing within AMD for DCE8, 10, and > > > > > 11 GPUs and is being prepared for uGPU. Support should be better than > > > > > amdgpu's current display support. > > > > > > > > > > * All of our QA effort is focused on DC > > > > > * All of our CQE effort is focused on DC > > > > > * All of our OEM preloads and custom engagements use DC > > > > > * DC behavior mirrors what we do for other OSes > > > > > > > > > > The new asic utilizes a completely re-designed atom interface, so we cannot > > > > > easily leverage much of the existing atom-based code. > > > > > > > > > > We've introduced DC to the community earlier in 2016 and received a fair > > > > > amount of feedback. Some of what we've addressed so far are: > > > > > > > > > > * Self-contain ASIC specific code. We did a bunch of work to pull > > > > > common sequences into dc/dce and leave ASIC specific code in > > > > > separate folders. > > > > > * Started to expose AUX and I2C through generic kernel/drm > > > > > functionality and are mostly using that. Some of that code is still > > > > > needlessly convoluted. This cleanup is in progress. > > > > > * Integrated Dave and Jerome’s work on removing abstraction in bios > > > > > parser. > > > > > * Retire adapter service and asic capability > > > > > * Remove some abstraction in GPIO > > > > > > > > > > Since a lot of our code is shared with pre- and post-silicon validation > > > > > suites changes need to be done gradually to prevent breakages due to a major > > > > > flag day. This, coupled with adding support for new asics and lots of new > > > > > feature introductions means progress has not been as quick as we would have > > > > > liked. We have made a lot of progress none the less. > > > > > > > > > > The remaining concerns that were brought up during the last review that we > > > > > are working on addressing: > > > > > > > > > > * Continue to cleanup and reduce the abstractions in DC where it > > > > > makes sense. > > > > > * Removing duplicate code in I2C and AUX as we transition to using the > > > > > DRM core interfaces. We can't fully transition until we've helped > > > > > fill in the gaps in the drm core that we need for certain features. > > > > > * Making sure Atomic API support is correct. Some of the semantics of > > > > > the Atomic API were not particularly clear when we started this, > > > > > however, that is improving a lot as the core drm documentation > > > > > improves. Getting this code upstream and in the hands of more > > > > > atomic users will further help us identify and rectify any gaps we > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately we cannot expose code for uGPU yet. However refactor / cleanup > > > > > work on DC is public. We're currently transitioning to a public patch > > > > > review. You can follow our progress on the amd-gfx mailing list. We value > > > > > community feedback on our work. > > > > > > > > > > As an appendix I've included a brief overview of the how the code currently > > > > > works to make understanding and reviewing the code easier. > > > > > > > > > > Prior discussions on DC: > > > > > > > > > > * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-March/103398.html > > > > > * > > > > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-February/100524.html > > > > > > > > > > Current version of DC: > > > > > > > > > > * https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display?h=amd-staging-4.7 > > > > > > > > > > Once Alex pulls in the latest patches: > > > > > > > > > > * https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/display?h=amd-staging-4.7 > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > *** Appendix: A Day in the Life of a Modeset *** > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > Below is a high-level overview of a modeset with dc. Some of this might be a > > > > > little out-of-date since it's based on my XDC presentation but it should be > > > > > more-or-less the same. > > > > > > > > > > amdgpu_dm_atomic_commit() > > > > > { > > > > > /* setup atomic state */ > > > > > drm_atomic_helper_prepare_planes(dev, state); > > > > > drm_atomic_helper_swap_state(dev, state); > > > > > drm_atomic_helper_update_legacy_modeset_state(dev, state); > > > > > > > > > > /* create or remove targets */ > > > > > > > > > > /******************************************************************** > > > > > * *** Call into DC to commit targets with list of all known targets > > > > > ********************************************************************/ > > > > > /* DC is optimized not to do anything if 'targets' didn't change. */ > > > > > dc_commit_targets(dm->dc, commit_targets, commit_targets_count) > > > > > { > > > > > /****************************************************************** > > > > > * *** Build context (function also used for validation) > > > > > ******************************************************************/ > > > > > result = core_dc->res_pool->funcs->validate_with_context( > > > > > core_dc,set,target_count,context); > > > > I can't dig into details of DC, so this is not a 100% assessment, but if > > > > you call a function called "validate" in atomic_commit, you're very, very > > > > likely breaking atomic. _All_ validation must happen in ->atomic_check, > > > > if that's not the case TEST_ONLY mode is broken. And atomic userspace is > > > > relying on that working. > > > > > > > This function is not really named correctly. What it does is it builds a > > > context and validates at the same time. In commit we simply care that it > > > builds the context. Validate should never fail here (since this was already > > > validated in atomic_check). > > > > > > We call the same function at atomic_check > > > > > > amdgpu_dm_atomic_check -> > > > dc_validate_resources -> > > > core_dc->res_pool->funcs->validate_with_context > > Ah right, iirc you told me this the last time around too ;-) I guess a > > great example for what I mean with rolling your own world: Existing atomic > > drivers put their derived/computed/validated check into their subclasses > > state structures, which means they don't need to be re-computed in > > atomic_check. It also makes sure that the validation code/state > > computation code between check and commit doesn't get out of sync. > > > > > As for the rest, I hear you and appreciate your feedback. Let me get back to > > > you on that later. > > Just an added note on that: I do think that there's some driver teams > > who've managed to pull a shared codebase between validation and upstream > > linux (iirc some of the intel wireless drivers work like that). But it > > requires careful aligning of everything, and with something fast-moving > > like drm it might become real painful and not really worth it. So not > > outright rejecting DC (and the code sharing you want to achieve with it) > > as an idea here. > > I used to have examples of such a things for other network drivers as well, > but right now I can't find them of hand. Leave me a note if you need more > info on existing things. > > A good idea might as well be to take a look at drivers shared between Linux > and BSD as well, cause both code bases are usually public available and you > can see what changes during porting and what stays the same. bsd and linux might not be a good example anymore, at least in the gfx space - upstream linux has so massively outpaced bsd kernels that they stopped porting and switched over to implement a shim in the bsd drm subsystem to fully emulate the linux interfaces. I think on the networking and storage side things are a bit better aligned still, and not quite moving as fast, to make a more native approach on each OS feasible. -Daniel > > Regards, > Christian. > > > -Daniel > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that you're allowed to return from ->atomic_commit is > > > > out-of-memory, hw-on-fire and similar unforeseen and catastrophic issues. > > > > Kerneldoc expklains this. > > > > > > > > Now the reason I bring this up (and we've discussed it at length in > > > > private) is that DC still suffers from a massive abstraction midlayer. A > > > > lot of the back-end stuff (dp aux, i2c, abstractions for allocation, > > > > timers, irq, ...) have been cleaned up, but the midlayer is still there. > > > > And I understand why you have it, and why it's there - without some OS > > > > abstraction your grand plan of a unified driver across everything doesn't > > > > work out so well. > > > > > > > > But in a way the backend stuff isn't such a big deal. It's annoying since > > > > lots of code, and bugfixes have to be duplicated and all that, but it's > > > > fairly easy to fix case-by-case, and as long as AMD folks stick around > > > > (which I fully expect) not a maintainance issue. It makes it harder for > > > > others to contribute, but then since it's mostly the leaf it's generally > > > > easy to just improve the part you want to change (as an outsider). And if > > > > you want to improve shared code the only downside is that you can't also > > > > improve amd, but that's not so much a problem for non-amd folks ;-) > > > > > > > > The problem otoh with the abstraction layer between drm core and the amd > > > > driver is that you can't ignore if you want to refactor shared code. And > > > > because it's an entire world of its own, it's much harder to understand > > > > what the driver is doing (without reading it all). Some examples of what I > > > > mean: > > > > > > > > - All other drm drivers subclass drm objects (by embedding them) into the > > > > corresponding hw part that most closely matches the drm object's > > > > semantics. That means even when you have 0 clue about how a given piece > > > > of hw works, you have a reasonable chance of understanding code. If it's > > > > all your own stuff you always have to keep in minde the special amd > > > > naming conventions. That gets old real fast if you trying to figure out > > > > what 20+ (or are we at 30 already?) drivers are doing. > > > > > > > > - This is even more true for atomic. Atomic has a pretty complicated > > > > check/commmit transactional model for updating display state. It's a > > > > standardized interface, and it's extensible, and we want generic > > > > userspace to be able to run on any driver. Fairly often we realize that > > > > semantics of existing or newly proposed properties and state isn't > > > > well-defined enough, and then we need to go&read all the drivers and > > > > figure out how to fix up the mess. DC has it's entirely separate state > > > > structures which again don't subclass the atomic core structures (afaik > > > > at least). Again the same problems apply that you can't find things, and > > > > that figuring out the exact semantics and spotting differences in > > > > behaviour is almost impossible. > > > > > > > > - The trouble isn't just in reading code and understanding it correctly, > > > > it's also in finding it. If you have your own completely different world > > > > then just finding the right code is hard - cscope and grep fail to work. > > > > > > > > - Another issue is that very often we unify semantics in drivers by adding > > > > some new helpers that at least dtrt for most of the drivers. If you have > > > > your own world then the impendance mismatch will make sure that amd > > > > drivers will have slightly different semantics, and I think that's not > > > > good for the ecosystem and kms - people want to run a lot more than just > > > > a boot splash with generic kms userspace, stuff like xf86-video-$vendor > > > > is going out of favour heavily. > > > > > > > > Note that all this isn't about amd walking away and leaving an > > > > unmaintainable mess behind. Like I've said I don't think this is a big > > > > risk. The trouble is that having your own world makes it harder for > > > > everyone else to understand the amd driver, and understanding all drivers > > > > is very often step 1 in some big refactoring or feature addition effort. > > > > Because starting to refactor without understanding the problem generally > > > > doesn't work ;_) And you can't make this step 1 easier for others by > > > > promising to always maintain DC and update it to all the core changes, > > > > because that's only step 2. > > > > > > > > In all the DC discussions we've had thus far I haven't seen anyone address > > > > this issue. And this isn't just an issue in drm, it's pretty much > > > > established across all linux subsystems with the "no midlayer or OS > > > > abstraction layers in drivers" rule. There's some real solid reasons why > > > > such a HAl is extremely unpopular with upstream. And I haven't yet seen > > > > any good reason why amd needs to be different, thus far it looks like a > > > > textbook case, and there's been lots of vendors in lots of subsystems who > > > > tried to push their HAL. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Daniel > > > > > > > > > /****************************************************************** > > > > > * *** Apply safe power state > > > > > ******************************************************************/ > > > > > pplib_apply_safe_state(core_dc); > > > > > > > > > > /**************************************************************** > > > > > * *** Apply the context to HW (program HW) > > > > > ****************************************************************/ > > > > > result = core_dc->hwss.apply_ctx_to_hw(core_dc,context) > > > > > { > > > > > /* reset pipes that need reprogramming */ > > > > > /* disable pipe power gating */ > > > > > /* set safe watermarks */ > > > > > > > > > > /* for all pipes with an attached stream */ > > > > > /************************************************************ > > > > > * *** Programming all per-pipe contexts > > > > > ************************************************************/ > > > > > status = apply_single_controller_ctx_to_hw(...) > > > > > { > > > > > pipe_ctx->tg->funcs->set_blank(...); > > > > > pipe_ctx->clock_source->funcs->program_pix_clk(...); > > > > > pipe_ctx->tg->funcs->program_timing(...); > > > > > pipe_ctx->mi->funcs->allocate_mem_input(...); > > > > > pipe_ctx->tg->funcs->enable_crtc(...); > > > > > bios_parser_crtc_source_select(...); > > > > > > > > > > pipe_ctx->opp->funcs->opp_set_dyn_expansion(...); > > > > > pipe_ctx->opp->funcs->opp_program_fmt(...); > > > > > > > > > > stream->sink->link->link_enc->funcs->setup(...); > > > > > pipe_ctx->stream_enc->funcs->dp_set_stream_attribute(...); > > > > > pipe_ctx->tg->funcs->set_blank_color(...); > > > > > > > > > > core_link_enable_stream(pipe_ctx); > > > > > unblank_stream(pipe_ctx, > > > > > > > > > > program_scaler(dc, pipe_ctx); > > > > > } > > > > > /* program audio for all pipes */ > > > > > /* update watermarks */ > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > program_timing_sync(core_dc, context); > > > > > /* for all targets */ > > > > > target_enable_memory_requests(...); > > > > > > > > > > /* Update ASIC power states */ > > > > > pplib_apply_display_requirements(...); > > > > > > > > > > /* update surface or page flip */ > > > > > } > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dri-devel mailing list > > > > > dri-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel > > -- Daniel Vetter Software Engineer, Intel Corporation http://blog.ffwll.ch _______________________________________________ dri-devel mailing list dri-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel
