On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:40:59PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:11:02AM +0100, Chris Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:59:04AM +0100, Chris Wilson wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:12:17AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 08:04:19AM +0100, Chris Wilson wrote: > > > > > vGEM buffers are useful for passing data between software clients and > > > > > hardware renders. By allowing the user to create and attach fences to > > > > > the exported vGEM buffers (on the dma-buf), the user can implement a > > > > > deferred renderer and queue hardware operations like flipping and then > > > > > signal the buffer readiness (i.e. this allows the user to schedule > > > > > operations out-of-order, but have them complete in-order). > > > > > > > > > > This also makes it much easier to write tightly controlled testcases for > > > > > dma-buf fencing and signaling between hardware drivers. > > > > > > > > > > v2: Don't pretend the fences exist in an ordered timeline, but allocate > > > > > a separate fence-context for each fence so that the fences are > > > > > unordered. > > > > > v3: Make the debug output more interesting, and so the signaled status. > > > > > > > > > > Testcase: igt/vgem_basic/dmabuf-fence > > > > > Signed-off-by: Chris Wilson <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Cc: Sean Paul <seanpaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Cc: Zach Reizner <zachr@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Cc: Gustavo Padovan <gustavo.padovan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@xxxxxxxx> > > > > > Acked-by: Zach Reizner <zachr@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > One thing I completely forgotten: This allows userspace to hang kernel > > > > drivers. i915 (and other gpu drivers) can recover using hangcheck, but > > > > dumber drivers (v4l, if that ever happens) probably never except such a > > > > case. We've had a similar discusion with the userspace fences exposed in > > > > sw_fence, and decided to move all those ioctl into debugfs. I think we > > > > should do the same for this vgem-based debugging of implicit sync. Sorry > > > > for realizing this this late. > > > > > > One of the very tests I make is to ensure that we recover from such a > > > hang. I don't see the difference between this any of the other ways > > > userspace can shoot itself (and others) in the foot. > > > > So one solution would be to make vgem fences automatically timeout (with > > a flag for root to override for the sake of testing hang detection). > > The problem is other drivers. E.g. right now atomic helpers assume that > fences will signal, and can't recover if they don't. This is why drivers > where things might fail must have some recovery (hangcheck, timeout) to > make sure dma_fences always signal. Urm, all the atomic helpers should work with fails. The waits on dma-buf should be before any hardware is modified and so cancellation is trivial. Anyone using a foriegn fence (or even native) must cope that it may not meet some deadline. They have to. Anyone sharing a i915 dma-buf is susceptible to all kinds of (unprivileged) fun. > Imo not even root should be allowed to break this, since it could put > drivers into a non-recoverable state. I think this must be restricted to > something known-unsafe-don't-enable-on-production like debugfs. Providing fences is extremely useful, even for software buffers. (For the sake of argument, just imagine an asynchronous multithreaded llvmpipe wanting to support client fences for deferred rendering.) The only question in my mind is how much cotton wool to use. > Other solutions which I don't like: > - Everyone needs to be able to recover. Given how much effort it is to > just keep i915 hangcheck in working order I think that's totally > illusionary to assume. At least once world+dog (atomic, v4l, ...) all > consume/produce fences, subsystems where the usual assumption holds that > async ops complete. > > - Really long timeouts are allowed for root in vgem. Could lead to even > more fun in testing i915 hangchecks I think, so don't like that much > either. The whole point is in testing our handling before we become suspectible to real world fail - because as you point out, not everyone guarantees that a fence will be signaled. I can't simply pass around i915 dma-buf simply because we may unwind them and in the process completely curtail being able to test a foriegn fence that hangs. > I think the best option is to just do the same as we've done for sw_fence, > and move it to debugfs. We could reuse the debugfs sw_fence interface to > create them (gives us more control as a bonus), and just have an ioctl to > attach fences to vgem (which could be unpriviledged). The biggest reason I had against going the sw_sync only route was that vgem should provide unprivileged fences and that through the bookkeeping in vgem we can keep them safe, ensure that we don't leak random buffers or fences. (And I need a source of foriegn dma-buf with implicit fence tracking with which I can try and break the driver.) -Chris -- Chris Wilson, Intel Open Source Technology Centre _______________________________________________ dri-devel mailing list dri-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel
