On 10/10/23 23:31, charlesfdotz@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > As I've said in all of my emails this is regarding drive-managed SMR disks that do no support trim. Most of these aren't detectable by the host because if there were then people wouldn't buy them as they're not fit for purpose. Western digital was sued over this and lost. > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/05/western-digital-gets-sued-for-sneaking-smr-disks-into-its-nas-channel/ > https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-red-smr-lawsuit-pays-out-pennies-in-settlement-damages There is no need to name names or point fingers here. Kernel open source development is vendor agnostic and while my employer is indeed Western Digital, I do not talk as a representative of WD products but as a kernel developer. So calm down please if you want to keep the discussion open. > You can opine that this unlikely but we have reports (which I've already linked) that this works on some SMR drives. It's also pretty ironic someone from western digital of all places is saying drives wouldn't lie about how they function so they must be writing zeros when told to. Again, the finger pointing here is totally inappropriate. My points are all in good faith and I am talking about the drives I know of. In any case, the key-word in your statement is "some drives". Given that you are talking about something that is not standardized and so cannot be safely generalized, there is nothing we can do. It is a hard NO from me to replace the lack of trim support with writing zeroes. > > Sincerely, > Chuck > -- Damien Le Moal Western Digital Research
