Hi Bart,Mikulas,Martin,Douglas, We will go through your previous work and use this thread as a medium for further discussion, if we come across issues to be sorted out. Thank you, Nitesh Shetty On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 2:48 AM Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 8/20/21 3:39 AM, Kanchan Joshi wrote: > > Bart, Mikulas > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:44 PM Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> On 8/17/21 3:14 AM, SelvaKumar S wrote: > >>> Introduce REQ_OP_COPY, a no-merge copy offload operation. Create > >>> bio with control information as payload and submit to the device. > >>> Larger copy operation may be divided if necessary by looking at device > >>> limits. REQ_OP_COPY(19) is a write op and takes zone_write_lock when > >>> submitted to zoned device. > >>> Native copy offload is not supported for stacked devices. > >> > >> Using a single operation for copy-offloading instead of separate > >> operations for reading and writing is fundamentally incompatible with > >> the device mapper. I think we need a copy-offloading implementation that > >> is compatible with the device mapper. > >> > > > > While each read/write command is for a single contiguous range of > > device, with simple-copy we get to operate on multiple discontiguous > > ranges, with a single command. > > That seemed like a good opportunity to reduce control-plane traffic > > (compared to read/write operations) as well. > > > > With a separate read-and-write bio approach, each source-range will > > spawn at least one read, one write and eventually one SCC command. And > > it only gets worse as there could be many such discontiguous ranges (for > > GC use-case at least) coming from user-space in a single payload. > > Overall sequence will be > > - Receive a payload from user-space > > - Disassemble into many read-write pair bios at block-layer > > - Assemble those (somehow) in NVMe to reduce simple-copy commands > > - Send commands to device > > > > We thought payload could be a good way to reduce the > > disassembly/assembly work and traffic between block-layer to nvme. > > How do you see this tradeoff? What seems necessary for device-mapper > > usecase, appears to be a cost when device-mapper isn't used. > > Especially for SCC (since copy is within single ns), device-mappers > > may not be too compelling anyway. > > > > Must device-mapper support be a requirement for the initial support atop SCC? > > Or do you think it will still be a progress if we finalize the > > user-space interface to cover all that is foreseeable.And for > > device-mapper compatible transport between block-layer and NVMe - we > > do it in the later stage when NVMe too comes up with better copy > > capabilities? > > Hi Kanchan, > > These days there might be more systems that run the device mapper on top > of the NVMe driver or a SCSI driver than systems that do use the device > mapper. It is common practice these days to use dm-crypt on personal > workstations and laptops. LVM (dm-linear) is popular because it is more > flexible than a traditional partition table. Android phones use > dm-verity on top of hardware encryption. In other words, not supporting > the device mapper means that a very large number of use cases is > excluded. So I think supporting the device mapper from the start is > important, even if that means combining individual bios at the bottom of > the storage stack into simple copy commands. > > Thanks, > > Bart. > -- dm-devel mailing list dm-devel@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/dm-devel
