On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:46:37PM -0500, Mike Snitzer wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23 2015 at 4:19pm -0500, > Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 02:56:03PM -0500, Mike Snitzer wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 23 2015 at 1:34pm -0500, > > > Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:18:36AM -0600, Mike Christie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If the device/transport is fast or the workload is low, the multipath_busy > > > > > never returns busy, then we can hit Hannes's issue. For 4 paths, we just > > > > > might not be able to fill up the paths and hit the busy check. With only 2 > > > > > paths, we might be slow enough or the workload is heavy enough to keep the > > > > > paths busy and so we hit the busy check and do more merging. > > > > > > > > Netapp is seeing this same issue. It seems like we might want to make > > > > multipath_busy more aggressive about returning busy, which would > > > > probably require multipath tracking the size and frequency of the > > > > requests. If it determines that it's getting a lot of requests that > > > > could have been merged, it could start throttling how fast requests are > > > > getting pulled off the queue, even there underlying paths aren't busy. > > > > > > the ->busy() checks are just an extra check the shouldn't be the primary > > > method for governing the effectiveness of the DM-mpath queue's elevator. > > > > > > I need to get back to basics to appreciate how the existing block layer > > > is able to have an effective elevator regardless of the device's speed. > > > And why isn't request-based DM able to just take advantage of it? > > > > I always thought that at least one of the schedulers always kept > > incoming requests on an interal queue for at least a little bit to see > > if any merging could happen, even if they could otherwise just be added > > to the request queue. but I admit to being a little vague on how exactly > > they all work. > > CFQ has idling, etc. Which promotes merging. > > > Another place where we could break out of constantly pulling requests of > > the queue before they're merged is in dm_prep_fn(). If we thought that > > we should break and let merging happen, we could return BLKPREP_DEFER. > > It is blk_queue_bio(), via q->make_request_fn, that is intended to > actually do the merging. What I'm hearing is that we're only getting > some small amount of merging if: > 1) the 2 path case is used and therefore ->busy hook within > q->request_fn is not taking the request off the queue, so there is > more potential for later merging > 2) the 4 path case IFF nr_requests is reduced to induce ->busy, which > only promoted merging as a side-effect like 1) above > > The reality is we aren't getting merging where it _should_ be happening > (in blk_queue_bio). We need to understand why that is. Huh? I'm confused. If the merges that are happening (which are more likely if either of those two points you mentioned are true) aren't happening in blk_queue_bio, then where are they happening? I thought that the issue is that requests are getting pulled off the multipath device's request queue and placed on the underlying device's request queue too quickly, so that there are no requests on multipth's queue to merge with when blk_queue_bio() is called. In this case, one solution would involve keeping multipath from removing these requests too quickly when we think that it is likely that another request which can get merged will be added soon. That's what all my ideas have been about. Do you think something different is happening here? -Ben -- dm-devel mailing list dm-devel@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/dm-devel
