Hi Laurent, On Sun 13 Mar 22, 18:15, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:17:15PM +0100, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > > On Fri 04 Mar 22, 16:09, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 02:57:41PM +0100, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > > > > On Fri 04 Mar 22, 14:01, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 at 04:38:59PM +0100, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > > > > > > On Tue 15 Feb 22, 12:16, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:10:52AM +0100, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon 14 Feb 22, 19:09, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mon 07 Feb 22, 17:51, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 05, 2022 at 07:54:24PM +0100, Paul Kocialkowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This introduces YAML bindings documentation for the Allwinner A31 Image > > > > > > > > > > > > Signal Processor (ISP). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > .../media/allwinner,sun6i-a31-isp.yaml | 117 ++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 file changed, 117 insertions(+) > > > > > > > > > > > > create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/allwinner,sun6i-a31-isp.yaml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/allwinner,sun6i-a31-isp.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/allwinner,sun6i-a31-isp.yaml > > > > > > > > > > > > new file mode 100644 > > > > > > > > > > > > index 000000000000..2d87022c43ce > > > > > > > > > > > > --- /dev/null > > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/allwinner,sun6i-a31-isp.yaml > > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ > > > > > > > > > > > > +# SPDX-License-Identifier: (GPL-2.0 OR BSD-2-Clause) > > > > > > > > > > > > +%YAML 1.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > +--- > > > > > > > > > > > > +$id: http://devicetree.org/schemas/media/allwinner,sun6i-a31-isp.yaml# > > > > > > > > > > > > +$schema: http://devicetree.org/meta-schemas/core.yaml# > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > +title: Allwinner A31 Image Signal Processor Driver (ISP) Device Tree Bindings > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > +maintainers: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > +properties: > > > > > > > > > > > > + compatible: > > > > > > > > > > > > + enum: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - allwinner,sun6i-a31-isp > > > > > > > > > > > > + - allwinner,sun8i-v3s-isp > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + reg: > > > > > > > > > > > > + maxItems: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + interrupts: > > > > > > > > > > > > + maxItems: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + clocks: > > > > > > > > > > > > + items: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - description: Bus Clock > > > > > > > > > > > > + - description: Module Clock > > > > > > > > > > > > + - description: DRAM Clock > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's interesting, does the ISP have a dedicated DRAM ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't, it actually uses the main DRAM with the "mbus" interconnect. > > > > > > > > > > The clock is probably for the DMA engine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + clock-names: > > > > > > > > > > > > + items: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - const: bus > > > > > > > > > > > > + - const: mod > > > > > > > > > > > > + - const: ram > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + resets: > > > > > > > > > > > > + maxItems: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + ports: > > > > > > > > > > > > + $ref: /schemas/graph.yaml#/properties/ports > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + properties: > > > > > > > > > > > > + port@0: > > > > > > > > > > > > + $ref: /schemas/graph.yaml#/$defs/port-base > > > > > > > > > > > > + description: CSI0 input port > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + properties: > > > > > > > > > > > > + reg: > > > > > > > > > > > > + const: 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + endpoint: > > > > > > > > > > > > + $ref: video-interfaces.yaml# > > > > > > > > > > > > + unevaluatedProperties: false > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If no other property than remote-endpoint are allowed, I'd write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endpoint: > > > > > > > > > > > $ref: video-interfaces.yaml# > > > > > > > > > > > remote-endpoint: true > > > > > > > > > > > additionalProperties: false > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + additionalProperties: false > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + port@1: > > > > > > > > > > > > + $ref: /schemas/graph.yaml#/$defs/port-base > > > > > > > > > > > > + description: CSI1 input port > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + properties: > > > > > > > > > > > > + reg: > > > > > > > > > > > > + const: 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This should be 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct, thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + endpoint: > > > > > > > > > > > > + $ref: video-interfaces.yaml# > > > > > > > > > > > > + unevaluatedProperties: false > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + additionalProperties: false > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + anyOf: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - required: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - port@0 > > > > > > > > > > > > + - required: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - port@1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As ports are an intrinsic property of the ISP, both should be required, > > > > > > > > > > > but they don't have to be connected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well the ISP does have the ability to source from either CSI0 and CSI1 > > > > > > > > > > but I don't really get the point of declaring both ports when only one > > > > > > > > > > of the two controllers is present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it's within an SoC I don't mind too much. What I usually insist on is > > > > > > > > > declaring all ports even when no external devices are connected on the > > > > > > > > > board. It may however be easier to implement things on the driver side > > > > > > > > > when all the ports are declared, even for internal devices. I won't > > > > > > > > > insist either way here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, how do you select at runtime which CSI-2 RX the ISP gets its > > > > > > > > > > > image stream from ? Is it configured through registers of the ISP ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually what the ISP gets is fully dependent on what is received by the > > > > > > > > > > CSI controller it is connected to (which can be the mipi csi-2 controller > > > > > > > > > > or its direct parallel pins), so the configuration happens on the CSI side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, then how do you select at runtime which CSI the ISP gets its image > > > > > > > > > stream from ? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is done in the driver is that all available csi(s) entities pads are linked > > > > > > > > to a single csi sink media pad, which allows userspace to enable one or the > > > > > > > > other. If there's only one, it's enabled by default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The actual stream source (isp_dev->proc.source) is selected at link_validate > > > > > > > > time and the source bit is set in sun6i_isp_proc_enable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this answers your question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it does, thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this works, it makes life a bit more complicated for userspace, as > > > > > > > switching between the two sources require disabling the link first and > > > > > > > then enabling the new one. This is something that caused issues in the > > > > > > > libcamera simple pipeline handler, I ended up having to implement a > > > > > > > workaround. > > > > > > > > > > > > That surprises me a bit, I thought this was a typical use-case for links. > > > > > > So the fact that it's a two-step process causes issues somehow? > > > > > > > > > > It's not so much that the links have to be configured in two steps > > > > > (although it would be nice if that could be fixed), but the fact that > > > > > the order of the operations matter. Userspace has to know what > > > > > combination of links is acceptable in order to determine the order of > > > > > the enable/disable operations, otherwise errors may be returned. That > > > > > makes it more difficult to write generic userspace code. > > > > > > > > Ah right, I understand that. Now it's pretty much trial-and-error if userspace > > > > doesn't have prior knowledge about the hardware. But to be honest I assumed > > > > that it was more or less understood that there cannot be fully generic > > > > userspace for this and that knowedlege about the driver and pipeline flow > > > > is required to do things right. > > > > > > You're right, and that's why we have device-specific code in libcamera. > > > However, the more generic-friendly the APIs can be, the more the > > > device-specific userspace code will be able to use generic helpers, so > > > it still matters. > > > > > > > > > > Could you instead have two sink pads for the ISP, and select the sensor > > > > > > > at stream on time instead of link validation time by checking which link > > > > > > > is enabled ? If no links or both links are enabled, you can then return > > > > > > > an error. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that's totally doable. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a similar situation with the sun6i-csi bridge where the source pad > > > > > > has two possible links: one for routing to sun6i-csi capture (video device) > > > > > > and one for routing to the isp entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would that also be best represented as two pads? > > > > > > > > > > Are the two outputs mutually exclusive ? Sorry if I've asked before. > > > > > > > > I don't think you have. Yes they are mutually exclusive, only one source > > > > can be selected at a time. Same situation as the ISP where the two CSI unit > > > > inputs are mutually exclusive. > > > > > > On the sink (input) side that's quite common, if you have two different > > > sources but a single sink, the sink can't (usually) process both sources > > > at the same time. I understand that for the sun6i-csi bridge it's the > > > other way around, with the bridge can output to either a DMA engine or > > > to the ISP, but not both at the same time. That's less common, but can > > > certainly happen. I think I'd go for two source pads in that case too. > > > Sakari, any opinion ? > > > > As I was reading this thread again, I think there might be a misunderstanding > > here when you said that "switching between the two sources require disabling > > the link first and then enabling the new one". > > > > The driver is currently not checking the validity of the setup at link_setup > > but at link_validate (which is called at streamon time), so userspace can > > effectively disable/enable links in whichever order and a valid setup is only > > required when streaming starts. I think that's already the situation that you > > want to achieve. > > That's right. link_validate is probably not the best place though, as > it's meant to validate one link, while here you need to perform > validation of the state of multiple links, right ? Yeah actually I'm starting to think that unexpected situations may not be correctly handled here. I'll have a closer look at it. It feels like the best approach would be to keep track each source's enabled state with link_setup and check that only one is enabled at streamon time. > > To summarize, the following pads can have multiple links: > > - csi sink (parallel sensor source or mipi csi-2 bridge source) > > - csi source (isp sink or video capture sink) > > - isp sink (csi0 source or csi1 source) > > > > I'll send my next versions without changes (one pad, multiple links) > > but we can revisit this if there's an issue with that after all. > > OK. > > > > > > > > Ideally I'd say such internal routing should use the new V4L2 subdev > > > > > > > routing API that is currently being implemented (see [1]), but I don't > > > > > > > know when it will land, and I don't want to delay your patch series. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20211130141536.891878-28-tomi.valkeinen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still a bit confused what problem this is trying to solve. > > > > > > My understanding was that the current pad/link API allows representing complex > > > > > > topologies and switching different paths with link enable/disable. > > > > > > > > > > That was the intent of the MEDIA_IOC_SETUP_LINK ioctl, but we ended up > > > > > with something that is fairly ill-defined, and doesn't have the ability > > > > > to set multiple links atomically. It turned out to be less usable for > > > > > userspace than expected. Mistakes happen (and I'll blame myself here, > > > > > having designed that API) when we don't have real test cases during > > > > > kernel development. > > > > > > > > Yeah it's hard to predict these kinds of things in advance I suppose. > > > > Thanks for the heads up! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > +required: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - compatible > > > > > > > > > > > > + - reg > > > > > > > > > > > > + - interrupts > > > > > > > > > > > > + - clocks > > > > > > > > > > > > + - clock-names > > > > > > > > > > > > + - resets > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > +additionalProperties: false > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > +examples: > > > > > > > > > > > > + - | > > > > > > > > > > > > + #include <dt-bindings/interrupt-controller/arm-gic.h> > > > > > > > > > > > > + #include <dt-bindings/clock/sun8i-v3s-ccu.h> > > > > > > > > > > > > + #include <dt-bindings/reset/sun8i-v3s-ccu.h> > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + isp: isp@1cb8000 { > > > > > > > > > > > > + compatible = "allwinner,sun8i-v3s-isp"; > > > > > > > > > > > > + reg = <0x01cb8000 0x1000>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + interrupts = <GIC_SPI 83 IRQ_TYPE_LEVEL_HIGH>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + clocks = <&ccu CLK_BUS_CSI>, > > > > > > > > > > > > + <&ccu CLK_CSI1_SCLK>, > > > > > > > > > > > > + <&ccu CLK_DRAM_CSI>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + clock-names = "bus", "mod", "ram"; > > > > > > > > > > > > + resets = <&ccu RST_BUS_CSI>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + ports { > > > > > > > > > > > > + #address-cells = <1>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + #size-cells = <0>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + port@0 { > > > > > > > > > > > > + reg = <0>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > + isp_in_csi0: endpoint { > > > > > > > > > > > > + remote-endpoint = <&csi0_out_isp>; > > > > > > > > > > > > + }; > > > > > > > > > > > > + }; > > > > > > > > > > > > + }; > > > > > > > > > > > > + }; > > > > > > > > > > > > + > > > > > > > > > > > > +... > > -- > Regards, > > Laurent Pinchart -- Paul Kocialkowski, Bootlin Embedded Linux and kernel engineering https://bootlin.com
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