On 12/29/21 at 11:11am, Borislav Petkov wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 03:45:12PM +0800, Dave Young wrote: > > BTW, I would suggest to wait for reviewers to response (eg. one week at > > least, or more due to the holidays) before updating another version > > > > Do not worry to miss the 5.17. I would say take it easy if it will > > miss then let's just leave with it and continue to work on the future > > improvements. I think one reason this issue takes too long time is that it was > > discussed some time but no followup and later people need to warm up > > again. Just keep it warm and continue to engage in the improvements, do > > not hurry for the specific mainline release. > > Can you tell this to *all* patch submitters please? I appreciate you further explanation below to describe the situation. I do not see how can I tell this to *all* submitters, but I am and I will try to do this as far as I can. Maintainers and patch submitters, it would help for both parties show sympathy with each other, some soft reminders will help people to understand each other, especially for new comers. > > I can't count the times where people simply hurry to send the new > revision just to get it in the next kernel, and make silly mistakes > while doing so. Or not think things straight and misdesign it all. > > And what this causes is the opposite of what they wanna achieve - pissed > maintainers and ignored threads. > > And they all *know* that the next kernel is around the corner. So why > the hell does it even matter when? > > What most submitters fail to realize is, the moment your code hits > upstream, it becomes the maintainers' problem and submitters can relax. > > But maintainers get to deal with this code forever. So after a while > maintainers learn that they either accept ready code and it all just > works or they make the mistake to take half-baked crap in and then they > themselves get to clean it up and fix it. > > So maintainers learn quickly to push back. > > But it is annoying and it would help immensely if submitters would > consider this and stop hurrying the code in but try to do a *good* job > first, design-wise and code-wise by thinking hard about what they're > trying to do. > > Yeah, things could be a lot simpler and easier - it only takes a little > bit of effort... > > -- > Regards/Gruss, > Boris. > > https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette > Thanks Dave
