On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 00:54 -0500, Emil Medve wrote:
> Hello Scott,
>
>
> On 05/05/2014 06:25 PM, Scott Wood wrote:
> > On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 05:02 -0500, Emil Medve wrote:
> >> Hello Scott,
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/21/2014 05:11 PM, Scott Wood wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 07:21 -0500, Shruti Kanetkar wrote:
> >>>> +fman@400000 {
> >>>> + mdio@f1000 {
> >>>> + #address-cells = <1>;
> >>>> + #size-cells = <0>;
> >>>> + compatible = "fsl,fman-xmdio";
> >>>> + reg = <0xf1000 0x1000>;
> >>>> + };
> >>>> +};
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to see a complete fman binding before we start adding pieces.
> >>
> >> The driver for the FMan 10 Gb/s MDIO has upstreamed a couple of years
> >> ago: '9f35a73 net/fsl: introduce Freescale 10G MDIO driver', granted
> >> without a binding writeup.
> >
> > Pushing driver code through the netdev tree does not establish device
> > tree ABI. Binding documents and dts files do.
>
> Sure, ideally and formally. But upstreaming a driver represents, if
> nothing else, a statement of intent to observe a device tree ABI.
Ideally, yes (or rather, ideally the driver patch should have been
rejected due to lack of a binding document). But in practice it's way
too easy for bad stuff to slip in via driver code, especially when it
goes via a subsystem maintainer that is different from the one who would
be reviewing the binding.
> Via the SDK, FSL customers are using the device tree ABI the driver de
> facto establishes.
ABI of any sort established by the SDK or other non-upstream trees is
not binding on upstream. Yes, it's a pain for customers, which is why
ABI should go upstream ASAP.
> >> This patch series should probably include a
> >> binding blurb. However, let's not gate this patchset on a complete
> >> binding for the FMan
> >
> > I at least want to see enough of the FMan binding to have confidence
> > that what we're adding now is correct.
>
> I'm not sure what you're looking for. The nodes we're adding are
> describing a very common CCSR space interface for quite common device blocks
...embedded in a variety of different blocks.
If the mdio can truly stand alone, then maybe just submit the mdio node
without being enclosed in an fman node.
> >> As you know we don't own the FMan work and the FMan work is... not ready
> >> for upstreaming.
> >
> > I'm not asking for a driver, just a binding that describes hardware. Is
> > there any reason why the fman node needs to be anywhere near as
> > complicated as it is in the SDK, if we're limiting it to actual hardware
> > description?
>
> Is this a trick question? :-) Of course it doesn't need to be more
> complicated than actual hardware. But, to repeat myself, said
> description is not... ready and I don't know when it will be. Somebody
> else owns pushing the bulk of FMan upstream and I'd rather not step on
> their turf quite like this
If they want to defend their "turf" they can submit a patch. Now. This
has gone on long enough.
I'm tempted to submit a binding myself. I don't know much about
datapath, so I'll probably screw it up. Please beat me to it. :-)
> > Do we really need to have nodes for all the sub-blocks?
>
> Definitely no, and internally I'm pushing to clean that up. However, you
> surely remember we've been pushing from the early days of P4080 and it's
> been, to put it optimistically, slow
Stop pushing them and start pushing patches.
Just do it in the right order. :-)
> >> In an attempt to make some sort of progress we've
> >> decided to upstream the pieces that are less controversial and MDIO is
> >> an obvious candidate
> >>
> >>>> +fman@400000 {
> >>>> + mdio0: mdio@e1120 {
> >>>> + #address-cells = <1>;
> >>>> + #size-cells = <0>;
> >>>> + compatible = "fsl,fman-mdio";
> >>>> + reg = <0xe1120 0xee0>;
> >>>> + };
> >>>> +};
> >>>
> >>> What is the difference between "fsl,fman-mdio" and "fsl,fman-xmdio"? I
> >>> don't see the latter on the list of compatibles in patch 3/6.
> >>
> >> 'fsl,fman-mdio' is the 1 Gb/s MDIO (Clause 22 only). 'fsl,fman-xmdio' is
> >> the 10 Gb/s MDIO (Clause 45 only). We can respin this patch wi
> >>
> >
> > "respin this patch wi..."?
>
> Not sure where the end of that sentence went. I meant we'll re-spin with
> a binding for the 10 Gb/s MDIO block
>
> >> I believe 'fsl,fman-mdio' (and others on that list) was added
> >> gratuitously as the FMan MDIO is completely compatible with the
> >> eTSEC/gianfar MDIO driver, but we can deal with that later
> >
> > It's still good to identify the specific device, even if it's believed
> > to be 100% compatible.
>
> You suggesting we create new compatibles for every instance/integration
> of a hardware block even though is identical with an earlier hardware
> integration?
"100% compatible" is a different statement from actually being identical
logic. How do you know that absolutely nothing changed?
> Well, I guess that's been done that and now we have about 8
> different compatibles that convey no real difference at all
So? Remember that a node can have multiple compatible strings. After
you identify the exact logic being used, you can list older instances
that are believed to be compatible.
> >>> Within each category, is the exact fman version discoverable from the
> >>> mdio registers?
> >>
> >> No, but that's irrelevant as that's not the difference between the two
> >> compatibles
> >
> > It's relevant because it means the compatible string should have a block
> > version number in it, or at least some other way in the MDIO node to
> > indicate the block version.
>
> The 1 Gb/s MDIO block doesn't track a version of its own and from a
> programming interface perspective it has no visible difference since
> eTSEC. The 10 Gb/s MDIO doesn't track a version of its own either and
> across the existing FMan versions is identical from a programming
> interface perspective
>
> I guess we can append a 'v1.0' to the MDIO compatible(s). However, given
> the SDK we'll have to support the compatibles the (already upstream)
> drivers support. Dealing with all that legacy is going to be so tedious
I'm not going to insist that the drivers stop supporting what they
currently support, but I don't agree with the statement that "given the
SDK we'll have to...".
> >>>> +fman@500000 {
> >>>> + #address-cells = <1>;
> >>>> + #size-cells = <1>;
> >>>> + compatible = "simple-bus";
> >>>
> >>> Why is this simple-bus?
> >>
> >> Because that's the translation type for the FMan sub-nodes.
> >
> > What do you mean by "translation type"?
>
> I mean address translation across buses
What translation across buses?
> >> We need it now to get the MDIO nodes probed
> >
> > No. "simple-bus" is stating an attribute of the hardware, that the
> > child nodes represent simple memory-mapped devices that can be used
> > without special bus knowledge. I don't think that applies here.
>
> Yes it does. The FMan sub-nodes are "simple memory-mapped devices that
> can be used without special bus knowledge". Perhaps you're thinking
> about the PHY devices on the MDIO bus
No, I'm not thinking about that.
What I find particularly disturbing about putting simple-bus on the fman
node is that it applies to whatever other subnodes get added in the
future, and we don't yet have any idea what those nodes will be (or at
least I don't).
> > You can get the MDIO node probed without misusing simple-bus by adding
> > the fman node's compatible to the probe list in the kernel code.
>
> I think that's gratuitous and it's been done gratuitously in the past
> for CCSR space (sub-)nodes
CCSR is a simple-bus, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
> > This sort of thing is why I want to see what the rest of the fman
> > binding will look like.
> >
> >> and we'll needed later to probe other nodes/devices that will have
> >> standalone drivers: MAC, MURAM. etc.
> >
> > How are they truly standalone?
>
> I meant that they have individual drivers and they are not handled by
> the high-level FMan driver
That's software description, not hardware description. Surely those
drivers cooperate in some manner.
> > The exist in service to the greater
> > entity that is fman. They presumably work together in some fashion.
>
> Some blocks can work independently.
If any cannot, then simple-bus is wrong.
> The MURAM is an example and it seems the existing CPM/QE MURAM code
> allows it to be used as regular memory.
But it's supposed to be used for CPM/QE/Fman. If an OS chooses to
ignore that and bind a generic driver to it, that's the OS's choice, but
the device tree shouldn't pretend that this is an unrelated bag of
devices.
> The MDIO block could handle
> PHY(s) for other MACs in the system.
That doesn't necessarily mean the MDIO is totally independent. E.g.
some versions of eTSEC have a TBIPA register that affects the operation
of the MDIO controller, but is not in the MDIO register area.
> >>> Where's the compatible? Why is this file different from all the others?
> >>
> >> The FMan v3 MDIO block (supports both Clause 22/45) is compatible with
> >> the FMan v2 10 Gb/s MDIO (the xgmac-mdio driver). However, the driver
> >> needs a small clean-up patch (still in internal review) that will get it
> >> working for FMan v3 MDIO.
> >
> > This suggests that it is not 100% backwards compatible.
>
> It is. The code is just not everything it should be
The code works with one v2, and breaks with v3. Thus, something is
different. Whether the difference is enough to prevent claiming
compatibility depends on the detials (e.g. if the difference is
parameterized through another DT property, or if the difference is
within what is allowed by the specs of the original device), but it
suggests they are not literally the same logic. Unles the difference is
not due to v2 versus v3 but some difference elsewhere in the system?
-Scott
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